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duvie 11-06-2006 12:38 PM

[QUOTE=bla bla bla;76978]Main Entry: scab
Function: noun
1 : a worker who refuses to join a labor union
2 : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended
3 : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike : STRIKE BREAKER
4 : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms[QUOTE]


1. GoJets pilots are if not already unionized, are unionizing
2. No TSA pilot struck and no GoJet pilot refused to strike
3. Since there hasn't been a strike, then GoJets pilots cannot satisfy this condition either
4. GoJet is a seperate entity from TSA therefore they are not working under TSA union rules.

If this definition is the one you chose to use to define a scab then GoJets pilots definitely aren't scabs.

duvie 11-06-2006 12:40 PM

Check the payrates on the other part of this website.

GoJet pilot pay is comprable to Mesa and PSA. Their CA pay is lower than Skywest by only one dollar or so per hour

laxflier 11-06-2006 04:06 PM

So....
 
Tell us how you like being at blojets! A dollar less is just that....... LESS....AKA lowering the bar..... Thanks to them, I have to hear the kid next door ***** and moan hour after hour... And I agree with him....

flynavyj 11-06-2006 10:05 PM


4 : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms ;77526

4. GoJet is a seperate entity from TSA therefore they are not working under TSA union rules. ;77526
legally (concerning the judge) gojet is a seperate entity, but anyone who's been to the St. Louis training center knows better, and who said you had to be part of the same union to be working for less than union wages or non-union terms anyway?

robthree 11-07-2006 06:48 AM

Yes, they are...

from Jack London:

THE SCAB
(Speech first given before the Oakland Socialist Party Local, April 5, 1903)



http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/Wa...sses/scab.html

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It is for this reason that a laborer is so fiercely hostile to another laborer who offers to work for less pay or longer hours. To hold his place, (which is to live), he must offset this offer by another equally liberal, which is equivalent to giving away somewhat from the food and shelter he enjoys. To sell his day's work for $2, instead of $2.50, means that he, his wife, and his children will not have so good a roof over their heads, so warm clothes on their backs, so substantial food in their stomachs. Meat will be bought less frequently and it will be tougher and less nutritious, stout new shoes will go less often on the children's feet, and disease and death will be more imminent in a cheaper house and neighborhood.


Thus the generous laborer, giving more of a day's work for less return (measured in terms of food and shelter), threatens the life of his less generous brother laborer, and at the best, if he does not destroy that life, he diminishes it. Whereupon the less generous laborer looks upon him as an enemy, and, as men are inclined to do in a tooth-and-nail society, he tries to kill the man who is trying to kill him.
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In addition to the use of bricks, clubs, and bullets, the selfish laborer finds it necessary to express his feelings in speech. Just as the peaceful country-dweller calls the sea-rover a "pirate," and the stout burgher calls the man who breaks into his strong-box a "robber," so the selfish laborer applies the opprobrious epithet "scab" to the laborer who takes from him food and shelter by being more generous in the disposal of his labor power. The sentimental connotation of "scab" is as terrific as that of "traitor" or "Judas," and a sentimental definition would be as deep and varied as the human heart. It is far easier to arrive at what may be called a technical definition, worded in commercial terms, as, for instance, that a scab is one who gives more value for the same price than another.
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It is because he cannot get work on the same terms as they that he is a scab(empahsis added -R). There is less work than there are men to do work. This is patent, else the scab would not loom so large on the labor-market horizon. Because they are stronger than he, or more skilled, or more energetic, it is impossible for him to take their places at the same wage. To take their places he must give more value, must work longer hours or receive a smaller wage. He does so, and he cannot help it, for his will "to live" is driving him on as well as they are being driven on by their will "to live"; and to live he must win food and shelter, which he can do only by receiving permission to work from some man who owns a bit of land or a piece of machinery. And to receive permission from this man, he must make the transaction profitable for him.


Viewed in this light, the scab, who gives more labor power for a certain price than his fellows, is not so generous after all. He is no more generous with his energy than the chattel slave and the convict laborer, who, by the way, are the almost perfect scabs. They give their labor power for about the minimum possible price. But, within limits, they may loaf and malinger, and, as scabs, are exceeded by the machine, which never loafs and malingers and which is the ideally perfect scab.


It is not nice to be a scab. Not only is it not in good social taste and comradeship, but, from the standpoint of food and shelter, it is bad business policy. Nobody desires to scab, to give most for least. The ambition of every individual is quite the opposite, to give least for most; and, as a result, living in a tooth-and-nail society, battle royal is waged by the ambitious individuals. But in its most salient aspect, that of the struggle over the division of the joint product, it is no longer a battle between individuals, but between groups of individuals. Capital and labor apply themselves to raw material, make something useful out of it, add to its value, and then proceed to quarrel over the division of the added value. Neither cares to give most for least. Each is intent on giving less than the other and on receiving more.
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rickair7777 11-07-2006 06:57 AM

[QUOTE=duvie;77526][QUOTE=bla bla bla;76978]Main Entry: scab
Function: noun
1 : a worker who refuses to join a labor union
2 : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended
3 : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike : STRIKE BREAKER
4 : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms



1. GoJets pilots are if not already unionized, are unionizing
2. No TSA pilot struck and no GoJet pilot refused to strike
3. Since there hasn't been a strike, then GoJets pilots cannot satisfy this condition either
4. GoJet is a seperate entity from TSA therefore they are not working under TSA union rules.

If this definition is the one you chose to use to define a scab then GoJets pilots definitely aren't scabs.

Nope, not scabs. just despicable pieces of doo-doo.


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