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Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1244733)

Hopefully this trend will continue along all areas of DCI and is the beginning of the end of outsourcing. The more jobs that are brought back to DAL and DGS the better. In the long run it will create more mainline jobs for the DCI folks to migrate too....which is better for everyone concerned. You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs. DAL is in the beginning stages of a several year process to re-create itself. Imagine the cost savings if we didn't have 8 or 9 Regionals, Managements, Infrastructure, Maintenance...ect. The DAL pilot group could easily be 24,000....and even on reserve as a plug on the smallest equipment....it'd be a better job than any RJ Captain at xyz regional. Been there, done that and don't ever want to go back. I want everyone at mainline. The
sooner the better.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. more jobs at delta is good yes but all this is doing is transferring jobs from one owned company to another to start people over at year one pay. A lot of these regional elite people were making 14 bucks an hour because their old comair or Mesaba rate was grand fathered into regional elite. Dgs is not delta mainline...far from it. They start these people at 8 bucks an hour and top out at 865. It's a joke and will cause many people to lose houses and miss car payments while delta makes a few more bucks for the share holders. Rich get richer and the poor get poorer. There should be laws against this kind of nonsense. Also more regionals are cheaper then less for obvious reasons. Less regionals to bid on contracts means less competition and more expensive contracts.
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I think a lot of DL pilots think their new contact, comair, 9E, and Regional Elite are some kind of grand altruistic scheme to in-source jobs and have a higher quality product (ala Southwest.)

Sadly this isn't true. The vast majority of RE stations will be turned over to 3rd party companies with employees would don't care about your customers anymore than it requires for them to keep their meager job. The CRJ200's would be going away contract or not, and they continue to source large RJ flying to the most low-quality, cheap lift they can find.

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Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 1244907)

Ah, someone who *gets* the big picture.

I can't help but chuckle when I see all the young and naive believe the rhetoric about how this is "a good thing". DAL is getting a few more planes, that's about it as far as the regionals are concerned and future job opportunities. (Where are all those jobs, BTW? Anyone hear of massive hiring at DAL ANYTIME in the near future???)

They're also getting more inexperienced pilots at the cheap regionals (and he** they keep loweringthe bar in work rules, contract terms, etc.) and add insult to injury, cheap, cheap ground operations. One step forward, two steps back. This is really going to be quite some show in a year or so. DAL will have noone to blame but themselves.

"Kid, you have a lot of shoddy money saving ideas. Like a MAJOR airline, but you're here on time"........Moe Szyslak.

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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 1244712)

What kind of people do they think they are going to attract at lower wages?

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Allegiant did the same thing to thier own people 2years ago . Ground ops was all in house . And they all got tossed to go work for ATS or hit the road.

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Originally Posted by hemaybedid (Post 1244866)

You were talking about the top of the pay scale. They were talking about the longevity of captains making near or around the pay rate you were speaking of ($240 an hour). Then it was a little muddled. To be making that rate you'd have to be on the biggest equipment at the 12 year rate which you would have to be to hold the seat. To be on the biggest equipment at the 12 year rate you'd have to be near the top of the seniority list to hold the seat. Therefore at the company for a very long time. A little less muddled?

Yes, I'm chalking my ignorance in my other posts up to an epic brain fart.

Who says they're not! ;)

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Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1244658)

I wonder what is stopping Delta from treating its own people that same way. It's the Nike model, nothing but a brand and marketing. Everything else is outsourced.

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Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1244826)

Do what? By default then every captain is at least 12 years then. You sir, have confused me.

Heck, we have 12 year DC9 First Officers. 12 years is about what it takes to get off reserve (depending on base and equipment).

Is it true that Delta is now saying no possible hiring til at least fall 2013 and more likely 2015?