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Captain Tony 08-23-2012 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by Jetlinker (Post 1250292)
You're thinking of Captain Tony.
Leave me out of this. I completely disagree with what Joe said above.

Captain Tony 08-23-2012 09:03 AM
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1250111)
I suspect had it just been the ASA side, we would have already had a TA...As long as the XJT side holds out for line bidding, the longer this will drag out...and the lower the bar will be for comparison....
And it would have been as big a piece of crap as our current contract.

Comair shutting down did one thing for all of us. It separated the scared desperate lifers who want to grovel for their lives from the smart ones running for the lifeboats.

todd1200 08-23-2012 09:16 AM
Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1250296)
Comair shutting down did one thing for all of us. It separated the scared desperate lifers who want to grovel for their lives from the smart ones running for the lifeboats.
I just flew with a guy that'd been at ASA for over twenty years and he's looking to bail. With Delta's new TA, it would only take two years for him to get back to his current pay.

AtlCSIP 08-23-2012 09:48 AM
I've spoken to quite a few who were on the fence before the TA and Comair, but are now determined to look elsewhere. That is good news for everyone.

Nevets 08-23-2012 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by Kalamazoo (Post 1250089)
Besides a few people on this board, I haven't gotten that impression at all. Militant? Most of the guys I've actually meet have been no different that most CRJ guys I fly with, wanting a fair contract. Maybe it's just you ?
1. Their MEC is far more militant than our MEC and that is why we still don't have a TA....They are still living in their CAL lucrative cost plus world before reality slapped them upside the head.

2. You are one of the "more militant" folks on this side of the fence so it's no wonder you can't see the problem.

3. The industry standard is moving backwards while y'all cry and moan about how bad we have it....Wake up and look around....
The industry average the day the merger was announced was below our current contract. So why would we agree to a concessionary joint contract than to stay with our superior contract?

Nevets 08-23-2012 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by squaretail (Post 1250189)
So, how much of our money did you and our other beloved leaders spend to sit around in Denver, hold hands, and sing kumbayah?

"Good stuff..." ??? Sure hope so.
This meeting should've happened years ago. Plain and simple. You can't replace a face to face meeting (that's partly why we have jobs right? to help people get real work done?) with a phone call to someone you've never met. Just doesn't work.

If any barriers existed between the groups I believe they were torn down this week. Maybe not entirely but it was a good first step in opening the lines of communication between the groups and being unified on not allowing management to play us against each other.

I don't know what the final bill was, but this burned out guy found the meeting to be potentially invaluable down the road. My two pennies.
Problem is that one group has no say when management uses tem against the other two.

Bigshooter107 08-23-2012 12:58 PM
Looks like they did "discuss" a potential three way merger with Jerry. ALPA ail is out.

velosnow 08-23-2012 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1250356)
Problem is that one group has no say when management uses tem against the other two.
Indeed. Perhaps we'll do something about it one day.

Wiggam 08-27-2012 07:44 AM
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1250068)
Watching the legacy XJT folks is like watching amateur hour....
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1250080)
In this case they are...I think everyone can admit that the XJT side of the house is the more militant side and wants more out of the JCBA...Problem is, that isn't how things work in the real world......Industry standard is moving backwards while these cry babies stomp their feet in the corner...Oh well, they will soon learn....
Yes, the "amateurs" want more of out of a contract. The "amateurs" refuse to give anything up when the mothership is making money hand over fist.

I presume the "professionals" like yourself must want less and are willing to do this job for rotten peanuts. Professionals bend over and take whatever comes their way. THAT MAKES SENSE.

If you want to stay here and flounder in the Delta world of whipsaw, go ahead. You must have a massive skeleton in your closet.


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