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SKYWCRJCA 09-04-2012 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1255109)
CAL didnt play this card with expressjet, or Delta with ASA or Mesaba. USair still maintains PDT and PSA. I dont think the comair end is Eagles end. Its a growing company still, taking over many ground handling units for United Express and other airlines. They are not really that much more senior than units of Skywest and RAH. I still put my money they get spun off and buy someone up, or get sold to another holding company, and much up some of your watering mouths of gaining our flying.

Just remember all you guys drooling at the idea of getting AMR flying, you could just as quickly be getting thrown into a merger with Eagle.


Comair also took a bunch of ground handling from OO a few years ago, only to be shut down. If I were still at AE I'd be looking for a new job.

SKYWCRJCA 09-04-2012 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1255282)
ya ya ya I know i know....however not all wholey owned rj airlines have had the comair fate. The majority have been spun off or sold. Comair is the only one that got this treatment. Can someone from Comair tell me if Delta wanted to spinoff Comair??

Are kidding Delta came to OO to try and get them to buy Comair. OO said no way! Comair is very similar AE whether you like it or not. Hopefully AA finds a buyer but unfortunely they've been trying to find a buyer for sometime now with no takers OO included.

MunkyButtr 09-04-2012 10:13 AM

Pinnacle is the next Pinnacle... Those close to the situation know what I'm saying.

80ktsClamp 09-04-2012 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1255776)
Pinnacle is the next Pinnacle... Those close to the situation know what I'm saying.

Yep... the only comparison between Pinnacle and Comair is that Pinnacle is likely the next big regional to go bye bye.

BlueMoon 09-04-2012 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by SKYWCRJCA (Post 1255758)
Are kidding Delta came to OO to try and get them to buy Comair. OO said no way! Comair is very similar AE whether you like it or not. Hopefully AA finds a buyer but unfortunely they've been trying to find a buyer for sometime now with no takers OO included.

Pretty much and SkyWest bought ASA for pretty much the price of its assets at the time and most likely only because of the lucrative CPA that Delta had to sign out of desperation of needing the money (400million-ish) to keep operating in bankruptcy.

Only time will tell what will happen to AE, I would keep a keen eye out for the road markers that Comair saw to see if you are on the same road.

The Chow 09-04-2012 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1255726)
pretty sure your right, I was partly using my family exposure to the airlines to supplement my knowledge. I am young dumb and stupid, thats nothing new.

Calm down there....I wasn't saying you were young, dumb, and stupid ( redundant?) but more that your enthusiasm and experiences haven't found their LD Max yet. ;-)

fatsopilot 09-04-2012 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1255789)
Yep... the only comparison between Pinnacle and Comair is that Pinnacle is likely the next big regional to go bye bye.

Pinnacle is certainly in a league of their own. They are getting exactly what they want out of this BK, a new management team is in place, everyone and their mother (including the senior) are jumping ship helping to reset all their costs. Once the BK terms are shoved down all the employee's throats even more people will leave. When this thing is all said and done even GoJet won't be able to compete. I don't see Pinnacle going away, they are like a cockroach, they will be around long into the future constantly exerting downward pressure on pilot wages.

The Chow 09-04-2012 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1255743)
Since you called me out, i do have a question, why in hell would you go to eagle after being f'd from comair.

Fool me once..... Fool me twice.

I knew Eagle was headed for rough waters. I was hoping that the 824 would have been flowing to AA and that would take care of a "senior pilot group". That and the new FT/DT regs would have made me a senior FO or junior captain.

Plus Eagle having a Miami base makes commuting a little less a life sucking adventure.

But alas......just hang a shiney jet in front of me and I'm yours.;)

samballs 09-04-2012 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by fatsopilot (Post 1255826)
Pinnacle is certainly in a league of their own. They are getting exactly what they want out of this BK, a new management team is in place, everyone and their mother (including the senior) are jumping ship helping to reset all their costs. Once the BK terms are shoved down all the employee's throats even more people will leave. When this thing is all said and done even GoJet won't be able to compete. I don't see Pinnacle going away, they are like a cockroach, they will be around long into the future constantly exerting downward pressure on pilot wages.

We all said the same exact crap at Comair when I was there.

9easy 09-04-2012 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by fatsopilot (Post 1255826)
Pinnacle is certainly in a league of their own. They are getting exactly what they want out of this BK, a new management team is in place, everyone and their mother (including the senior) are jumping ship helping to reset all their costs. Once the BK terms are shoved down all the employee's throats even more people will leave. When this thing is all said and done even GoJet won't be able to compete. I don't see Pinnacle going away, they are like a cockroach, they will be around long into the future constantly exerting downward pressure on pilot wages.

This could be true except .. the new 9E is being built as a purely CR9 operation. The current group of CR9 captains, and many senior MSP FO's have no plans on leaving, no matter how bad things get. They are lifers with only a few years left, and they will ride the gravy train til the end, or until DL hires them. These guys are incredibly costly to employ compared to CP or GoJet, and a 25% pay cut will not change the fact that you have a large group of guys topped out on pay/vacation/401/sick/high insurance costs.


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