Sure they will be, but where will they be going ?

Just to be safe, you may want to pick up the little dog, close your eyes and click your heels repeatedly saying, "there's no place like 125 RJ's, there's no place like 125 RJ's..........".

It can't hurt. :rolleyes:

Sure there are a lot of possibilities, and your not going to convince eaglefly otherwise. However based on my industry experience, we are about to lose massive amounts of flying and pilots to the street. AMR's mo has been diversify, and get larger rjs. They are already in talks with republic for the big ones. The same amount of aircraft at eagle is not going to happen. The best thing you can do, if junior, is apply to republic or skywest and get hired before the rest of the eagle furloughs start coming over. It should make a nice cushion for ya.
While I wish we could be optimistic, AMR hates its employees AA and eagle. There will be no good from any of this.

we will see, till 125 airplanes are assigned to other feed providers, Eagle is still gaining. Once it passes 125 jets then this place is shrinking.

Sadly, I completely agree with that sentiment.

Congratulations, you've just entered step 1 on the 7 steps of grief scale, shock and denial.

I think Rick is strictly basing his hopes on a stand alone AA. If there is a U merger and almost certainly there will be, several of their carriers will remain and based on the number of aircraft planned by the U CLA, I see Eagle......well, the former "Eagle" being a player, but not the dominant player. Ultimately 150 large RJ's of the CRJ-700/900 would make them a significant future presence, but half their current size.

Rick thinks HIS Eagle will be flying up to 375 RJ's (and even perhaps turboprops), but that is WAY to many for either AMR's whipsaw model or Parker's plans, if you ask me.

Many companies hate their employees especially pilots. I cannot think of one company I worked for in which said I love my employees. Many companies will say they love their employees as they reduce your pay and benefits. Don't get it twisted with the shareholder's love of making money.

No I am just playing a stand alone AA. I think if USAIR does not get to take over, that AA may still pass on USAIR post BK.
I never said Eagle will fly 375 RJS, I think 250, but we basically have 250 airplanes now. I am saying with scope relief 125 more RJs are coming under the AA RJ brand. Until 125 airplanes worth of non AMR EAGLE contracts are in place we are still not completely doomed. I think there might be pain in all this, however this doom/gloom is still a maybe, and needs to be seen. We could still have 250 airplanes between CRJ700/900s and EMJ145s in the course of the next 1-3 years.


You want to come in here and point your finger saying look look I told ya they will bid out what Eagle is flying, but I am not sure this is going to be at AMR Eagles expense, I think this is at AAs expense. I still think Eagle may shuffle into other flying, as bigger RJs are coming. This is AA flying being lost. This is what AMR will do, take a little from the AA guys at a rate slow enough that they dont go bonkers enough to do what the company is afraid they will.

+1, I see it as being what Comair has been, have the size of its former glory. Eagle will have the current 700's and maybe a few 900's. No sense in wasting money for E175/190 sim and instructors. Republic already can supply that.

Question I have is all these carriers will be flying under the American Eagle name. I thought the whole reason American Conn was created was because American Eagle was an airline and companies given name. Delta Conn, and US Express Etc.. Aren't airline names but marketing tools. My question, is there some legal copy right? Or the the Eagle name a registered trademark with AMR.

Apa really stuck it to amr....

Oh SkyWest has had our time to.. Midwest,Airtran,IAH EMB CO flying, ect... We will have more im sure...

I see it as Expressjet was. We have not struck and have played ball with the company, and continue to do so.

I was a 99' eagle newhire.. I understand i would be bottom reserve LAX EMB at Eagle.. Left there after over 5 years.. SkyWest now, and looks like i would bid 70'ish out of 132... Will see how senior it goes. They are adding 55 captains in LAX... (brings it to 132)

Not sure were Rickt86 get his 125 more number from..??? Looks like 255 more larger RJ's. If they merge with US, they have said they want to get down to 3-4 connection airlines.. AA stand alone i see SkyW/ASA with 1/3 the new large RJ's. Republic with 1/3 and Eagle if they can get out of CH11 and spun away from AMR with the other 1/3... Time will tell but i bet things will happen the first of the year for Summer 2013 with the New scope larger RJ's...

I've never implied the temporary American Eagle is doomed. How many aircraft the temporary Eagle flies is yet to be seen. The cheaper you're willing to go the more you'll get. But read the Eaglewire carefully. DG states that to be in "a position" to be able to bid on future flying, you'll need to acquiesce to their demands. You'll get a good portion of it IMO, but not as much as you think.


Sure, a LOT of that future flying will be at our expense, but also yours. We'll both be shrinking if you ask me. Your attrition will not likely be from the top either as for the next few years at least, there will be no where to go for most senior who won't do any better then they are now.

BTW, we already are bonkers, but it may not present itself in a manner you expect. We have a lot of legal and strategic cards to play yet.

We will see, I hope no one loses any jobs. I am not a slop tosser at your guys, I stand behind you all. I dont wish any ill will at all, and am hoping you come out of this with the best possible outcome. I have to live in this mess alot longer than the guys at AA now.

There is bonkers now, and then there is true bonkers. Enough happens and true bonkers will happen IMO, I saw it at United in 2000. The fact is will happen naturally and gross root with noone to hold accountable is what will make it interesting. If that happens a USAIR deal is 99.99%.
What I want to see is if AMR will trickle all the terms of the 1113 mixed with the LBFO over 18 months, and you guys wont react to it to the level that will accomplish a goal.

Ah crap. Ya got me!!!:)

That would mean that the long-term creditors and future IPO investors will have to shoot craps on an AA that isn't in chapter 11. That's a hell of a crap game, especially with no UCC or BK judge. Many here are perfectly willing to kick this can past the chapter 11 deadline of next May and see what happens next summer, if that is the UCC's desire.

At that point, the attrition I expect to see alone would be catastrophic for a tender philly of an airline just out of BK and operationally collapsing at the starting gate. It is "uncharted territory" and no one can predict the sudden twists and turns of that territory.

Will Blue Horeshoe love AA in that circumstance next July ?

If the LBFO is indeed the LBFO then we will find out, unless the three teddy bears Parker has look better.

Gotta have a little fun nowadays. :D

Absolutely!!! Wish I could say I did it on purpose or could blame it in the auto correct of the Ipad but can't.

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Wheres Wingtips these days? Banned? She would be fun in this thread

...what a big ph_uck_en slap in the face !!!! :cool:

AMR owns the name and can do what they please with it. This is, IMO, the big slap in the face part. They state they'll use "the stronger American Eagle" name. But WE are that name.

This is virtually no different than if they chose to call all codeshare flights "American Airlines" and renamed current AA and then allowed them to be one of many who operate as "American Airlines".

And THAT is EXACTLY what AMR would do if they could figure out a way.

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....and ironically, guess who would be one of their choices if they did think they could get away with that.

Would I have to go through the full training again if I accepted the recall?

You know regionals have sunk to a new low when they will not only impersonate mainline carriers; but now they'll impersonate another regional...

simply amazing.

uh, this "impersonation" is a result of mainline decisions...

The irony is not lost on me, that's for sure.

I'd like to be able to follow you to AA. Prior to the bankruptcy, I was headed over with the recalls. Twenty one years and counting at AE and I want OFF this ship.

the name change stings.

it seems like american airlines is transferring value (the recognized brand of eagle) from its subsidiary back to mainline.
the brand is so closely tied to operating for american airlines, i actually think it might help a little bit to have a "new name" when bidding for new flying.

not that United or Delta let you say "operated by" anymore but even putting a sticker on there that says "operated by american eagle" seemed a bit far fetched?

We all know who that is...

Probably not "longterm" but you will have to go through the FOQ program and take your type ride.

TC

HI6 just went out with openings for CRJ/EMB sim instructors and check airmen.

Wow. They trying to spin this as positive??!!! When does the vote close?

Those of you at eagle that support the MEC and think they're are not in with management, please tell me as of ten minutes ago you are at least questioning them. For those of you that don't work for Eagle, the TA was agreed to today magically the same day as the Skywest flying.

AMR is getting ready to add more RJ companies. Contract carriers come and go. Always will go to the lowest bidder. I believe you will eagle will be a fraction of what it is today in 2-5 years.

is that what happened to Expressjet?? Compass?? ASA??