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Originally Posted by PCL_128
(Post 1280466)
Nice rhetoric, but no facts to back it up. Regional pilots gain a tremendous amount by their membership in ALPA. Mainline pilots subsidize the operation of their MECs and provide resources that they could never dream of having on their own. But that's ok, because mainline pilots are smart enough to realize that everyone working together within a single union is worth the extra expense. A rising tide lifts all boats. There is no nefarious purpose. It is simply smart for everyone to work together.
As long as you continue to repeat blatant nonsense like this, you have zero credibility. The president is the highest compensated officer within the Association, and he makes $335k per year. Plenty of pilots at his own airline at his seniority level make more than he does. And they do it while working far less. No officer comes even close to making the absurd number that you've thrown out there. Get your facts straight and stop listening to the losers over at the DPA. |
Originally Posted by PCL_128
(Post 1280466)
Nice rhetoric, but no facts to back it up. Regional pilots gain a tremendous amount by their membership in ALPA. Mainline pilots subsidize the operation of their MECs and provide resources that they could never dream of having on their own. But that's ok, because mainline pilots are smart enough to realize that everyone working together within a single union is worth the extra expense. A rising tide lifts all boats. There is no nefarious purpose. It is simply smart for everyone to work together.
As long as you continue to repeat blatant nonsense like this, you have zero credibility. The president is the highest compensated officer within the Association, and he makes $335k per year. Plenty of pilots at his own airline at his seniority level make more than he does. And they do it while working far less. No officer comes even close to making the absurd number that you've thrown out there. Get your facts straight and stop listening to the losers over at the DPA. |
Originally Posted by samballs
(Post 1280477)
Not worth that much, what about, pension, spending account, If memory serves me right living expenses, to name a few. I don't get paid by the airline to have a place in Chicago for when I can't make it home
As far as a "spending account," that doesn't exist. He only gets his legitimate union expenses reimbursed, and they have to be accounted for individually with receipts. And the apartment that is provided is simply because he's required to be in DC by the Association for a temporary job. He's only there for four years. You can't expect him to sell his home, move his family to DC, only to be out of office four years later. We have to provide temporary accommodations for him while he's in office. That's not "compensation." He's still paying for his real home and all of the expenses that go along with it. Comparing this to your crashpad doesn't hold water. This is more like a TDY, because it's a temporary gig. Take a look at your CBA's TDY provisions and see what it provides. It's basically the same as what ALPA provides. Positive space transportation, lodging, and meals. Nothing unusual here, folks. Some people seem to want to make the President and other Officers suffer while they're in office. That's pretty ridiculous. Providing what they would have as a line pilot, plus a reasonable override for the countless extra hours of work, is entirely reasonable. |
Originally Posted by Cruise
(Post 1280367)
Perhaps you make too much as well? Please, let us all know why you believe you're worth the money you earn???
Hello pot, this is kettle..... It's ironic how many people advocate the reduction of other's salaries; yet when someone comes knocking for theirs, the sabers are rattled. What a freaking joke! Just like when a CEO makes poor decisions and puts their company in jeopardy while making a ton of money. Most sensible people think they don't deserve it because of the poor job that was done. |
Originally Posted by PCL_128
(Post 1280489)
The pension isn't extra compensation, it merely replaces what he loses as a result of not working at his airline. While he's at ALPA, he receives no A-Fund credit (if his carrier has one), no B-Fund contributions, no C-Fund contributions, and no 401k matching funds. He gets nothing towards his retirement. The pension merely makes up for that.
As far as a "spending account," that doesn't exist. He only gets his legitimate union expenses reimbursed, and they have to be accounted for individually with receipts. And the apartment that is provided is simply because he's required to be in DC by the Association for a temporary job. He's only there for four years. You can't expect him to sell his home, move his family to DC, only to be out of office four years later. We have to provide temporary accommodations for him while he's in office. That's not "compensation." He's still paying for his real home and all of the expenses that go along with it. Comparing this to your crashpad doesn't hold water. This is more like a TDY, because it's a temporary gig. Take a look at your CBA's TDY provisions and see what it provides. It's basically the same as what ALPA provides. Positive space transportation, lodging, and meals. Nothing unusual here, folks. Some people seem to want to make the President and other Officers suffer while they're in office. That's pretty ridiculous. Providing what they would have as a line pilot, plus a reasonable override for the countless extra hours of work, is entirely reasonable. |
Originally Posted by samballs
(Post 1280507)
Making up with pension. Not really DAL doesn't have one so he can deposit into his 401k and alpa can match(saves money).
He chooses to take position so its not a tdy, just like I choose to be based in ord I pay for an apartment cause I have to be there. Spending account we all know officers use spending accounts or what ever you would like to call it when they go to eat to discuss union duties,yep can't just talk about it at the office much easier to at a fine dining. See how ridiculous this crap is? The guy is working his ass off for this union. Berating him for conducting business over a dinner and expensing it is completely unreasonable. Don't give me that crap about a lot of people making 335, 000 this aint the early and late 90's |
Originally Posted by PCL_128
(Post 1280531)
DAL most certainly does have a pension. It's just a defined contribution instead of the old defined benefit. Every pilot gets 14% of his gross salary contributed by the company without the the pilot having to contribute a dime. It will soon go up to 15%. The ALPA president isn't eligible to receive this, because he is not a Delta employee while he's the president, and doesn't receive a paycheck from Delta. The only way for him to get any retirement savings while he's president is for it to come directly from ALPA. As someone who's not a Delta employee, he can't even make voluntary contributions to his 401k while he's president.
This is the sort of thing I was talking about about some of you seeming to want to punish the national officers for stepping up and volunteering to do a crappy high-workload job. Look, this is a temporary job. Your job at your airline is not a temporary job. When you bid to ORD, that could just as easily be a permanent position as a temporary position. Not so with the president. He's got a set term. He's there for four years. Expecting him to uproot his family, sell his home (probably at a loss), and move everything to one of the highest cost living areas in the country is just downright stupid. No one would agree to do it, nor should they. Fine. In that case, you don't need to receive per diem. After all, you can just as easily purchase fast food, which costs no more on the road than it does if you were sitting at home, so you don't deserve any additional compensation to make up for the fact that you're required to travel. See how ridiculous this crap is? The guy is working his ass off for this union. Berating him for conducting business over a dinner and expensing it is completely unreasonable. I didn't say that there were "lots," but yes, there are Delta pilots at his seniority making more money than he is, and they're working less in the process. It doesn't take too many green slips to reach that salary for a 767 captain, which is what Captain Moak is. What he's paid by ALPA is clearly within the range of reasonability. House we'll have to disagree there Don't need to have great big dinners(give 2.00 an hr per diem for 9.0 hrs a day five days a week) If one president would do a good job, they wouldn't be berated |
PCL- a DC is NOT a pension. It is a 401k contribution without any need for the employee to contribute any on their own.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1280540)
PCL- a DC is NOT a pension. It is a 401k contribution without any need for the employee to contribute any on their own.
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Originally Posted by samballs
(Post 1280537)
Alpa can have a 401k no need for a pension.
Don't need to have great big dinners(give 2.00 an hr per diem for 9.0 hrs a day five days a week) If one president would do a good job, they wouldn't be berated |
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