I prefer this one from Labrat...

Book smarts from the classroom of an "accredited" aviation university will always correlate into a better pilot - even more so than someone with three times the experience, double the type ratings, and a squeaky clean record but no "accredited" aviation degree. In fact, now that I think of it, those "accredited" university degrees will speak multitudes more than a pilot who only has a non-aviation degree from someplace like, say MIT. Thanks for enlightening everyone's knowledge base on statistics, it's people like you that make this world a smarter place.


I'm starting to think this guy is maybe one of the funniest trolls on here.

Awesome attitude! I would just say I had our most difficult APD, my partner and I had zero retrain items and it was just like anyone else who gets an ATP else where....... And my buddy who was typed prior said no easier then his other type ride from another company....

Who knows.... Its not an upgrade obviously, but no one is signing for a plane after this event either......

Some of these pilots receiving PIC type ratings are not yet at ATP minimums. Are they still required to have an ATP Written coming into the PIC checkride even they aren't getting their ATP? Just curious, thanks!

Im pretty sure they are not giving PIC types to people until they have the ATP mins.

What company is this at?? :confused:

XJT, heard it from a buddy of mine over there. Mins for the classes are below ATP mins because they are having trouble filling classes.

I don't know what the numbers are, but I can tell you that they checked my logbooks closely when I just got mine at 9e, and he added up the times to be sure I met the minimums (which I was well over). I asked him what would be done for the guys who didn't meet the minimums and was told that they were still issuing types and ATPs, but with restrictions on them.

I don't know if that was just for being short on things like X-country, or PIC time for ICAO, but I was given the impression that there was some flexibility there.

Why on gods green earth would a regional airline bust balls on a checkride that means absolutely nothing to them other than extra cost to retrain an applicant if they fail the ride. Seriously, this is not an upgrade event. You are not earning another stripe. It's just a check in the box that means you can keep your job come Aug 2013

Do you want your name as the final APD to sign them off and give then a "freebee" type when the guy plants one in the ground and the Feds come asking you why he ran out of fuel or blew a v1 cut? Or immediately jump ship and use his new type to go fly corporate somewhere having had a "freebee" type? The airline might want the cheapest way out, but as an instructor who is overseen by the Feds I sure don't.....with you rationale why even give new hire FO check rides?