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Emb170man 11-14-2012 03:09 PM


850 pilots in a year? How high on the list do you have to be to be a captain? Are there any Florida bases?
A lot higher than 850 from bottom and no. Currently junior CA is around the 1800-1900 mark out of a little over 3300

flyingreasemnky 11-14-2012 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Emb170man (Post 1293033)
A lot higher than 850 from bottom and no. Currently junior CA is around the 1800-1900 mark out of a little over 3300

You're making it seem worse than it actually is because that (incorrect) 3300 number includes the Frontier pilots which have nothing to do with Republic's upgrade time. There are only 2855 pilots on the list with about 720 pilots that are on the Frontier side.

Oskeewowow 11-14-2012 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky (Post 1293067)
You're making it seem worse than it actually is because that (incorrect) 3300 number includes the Frontier pilots which have nothing to do with Republic's upgrade time. There are only 2855 pilots on the list with about 720 pilots that are on the Frontier side.

Absolutely not sir! Everyone knows that in 5+ years when the fence comes down, all of those prima donna, entitled F9 FOs will swarm over to the legacy RAH certificates for a quick upgrade. Hundreds of Airbus right seaters will take our rightful E145 or Q400 upgrades. All because some out of touch arbitrator decided to not value the traditional career progression of this industry. I'm so spitting mad about this, I might interview at Pinnacle.

Bolo 11-14-2012 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Oskeewowow (Post 1293122)
Absolutely not sir! Everyone knows that in 5+ years when the fence comes down, all of those prima donna, entitled F9 FOs will swarm over to the legacy RAH certificates for a quick upgrade. Hundreds of Airbus right seaters will take our rightful E145 or Q400 upgrades. All because some out of touch arbitrator decided to not value the traditional career progression of this industry. I'm so spitting mad about this, I might interview at Pinnacle.

None of the F9 pilots are going to go to RAH for a quick upgrade. Why would they want a pay cut? This fence will be a non factor before 5+ years. So if you are interested in going to RAH subtract 750 pilots from the list. Your upgrade will be sooner than the 3000+ pilots.

SeaRider 11-15-2012 06:19 AM

Bolo, you may want to check your sarcasm detector "Oscar November"

Bolo 11-15-2012 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by SeaRider (Post 1293385)
Bolo, you may want to check your sarcasm detector "Oscar November"

Got it!!!:)

Ronaldo 11-15-2012 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1292993)
Well that makes me feel good going into an interview tommorow.

Step 1 for your interview prep should be to apply to Skywest, Compass, or even Eagle.

If you're stuck at RAH just know that our operational performance has been abysmal for the Q-400. In typical fashion the company signed the deal with no plan in place to make it work. They immediately and illegally recalled 190 pilots to the Q-400 without a bid. The training manager quit within a few weeks (she'd been here for quite a few years).

I saw a recent news article discussing our Q-400 problems I think it was out of Steamboat Springs. If I recall correctly, this company has sent people home from class at least twice since I've been here and I think its actually happened three times, so don't quit your other job until the last possible point and try to leave on amicable terms (a fine balance to strike).

ArcherDvr 11-15-2012 01:31 PM

As of today they are hiring for all certs and equipment. CMH and IND are junior if I remember correctly. They say most going into the Q are getting lines out of training. The people were very nice.

Hercdaddy22 11-15-2012 05:19 PM

If anyone at RAH had to guess, how soon could the pilots realistically get a new contract? I was called for an interview this spring and I am curious where things stand. Thanks.

poor pilot 11-15-2012 05:22 PM

From where lol

Emb170man 11-15-2012 05:25 PM

Realistically? Probably another year, maybe more. It's ONLY
been 5+years. The company is not going to do it until they are forced to, and since they are golfing buddies with the NMB mediators...well, I don't really need a pay raise anytime soon.

Emb170man 11-15-2012 05:28 PM


As of today they are hiring for all certs and equipment. CMH and IND are junior if I remember correctly. They say most going into the Q are getting lines out of training. The people were very nice.
the people you dealt with were nice, it is their job to get you here...unfortunately you will never see those people again once you work here. The rest of the people at the Crystal Palace are so overworked and underpaid that they aren't usually in the best f moods.

seattlepilot 11-16-2012 02:38 AM

People in rah are always really nice. I have never had issues with captains or crews i have flown with. Some people treat schedulers like crap which makes me sad because they deal with the sh!t they are handed.

On the other hand tou always have to watch your six:
- payroll is a joke. Your paychek will be a joke month after month.
- training deparemt people are nice but its extremely disorganized. You wont get training hotel / flight until last minute or sometimes not even until you get to stl/ind.
- there is a certain scheduling manager that will play mind games sometimes trying to get you assigned stuff that legsl per faa but illegal per contract .
- i am sure if it wasnt for the Qs they would have furloughed people this fall as well.
- we have a ceo that gets job done but only to his benefits. He talks about the impact of Sandy on his memo bit fails the recognize the loss of employees because of lack of cancellation pay.
- right now company is offering $30/hr extra pay to q captains because they are so short but they would not do the right thing and upgrade more people.

People rhat you work with are great all overworked and underpaid.

There are better companies out there to work for (and there are worse ones too) . Chose wisely

Desert Sky 11-16-2012 04:46 AM

How long is the upgrade on the Q out of DEN?

flyingreasemnky 11-16-2012 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by RPJ80 (Post 1293976)
How long is the upgrade on the Q out of DEN?

Right now, 5 years but that will probably change once the 190 displacements occur.

Desert Sky 11-16-2012 07:04 AM

Any possibility of getting IFP right out of training? What would reserve look like?

Ronaldo 11-16-2012 08:56 AM

Q upgrade is closer to 6 years. Guys that were hired in Feb 07 are just now making it to the Q left seat (training backup).

Reserve here is a world of pain. Almost all reserve periods regardless of base are 0400-1600. If they need you at 1900hrs they'll call you during RSV and put you "back on rest" with a new show time and a reset of your 16hr look back clock. If not, they'll deadhead you someplace and dhd you back so you can begin your actual assignment after 1600hrs. Reserve periods are not biddable. You get what they give you, which is almost always 0400 or 0300 start. If you are a commuter, too bad. Your callout is 90 min, including the time to answer the phone and talk to scheduling, or call them back. Since RSV periods are awarded slightly differently than schedules you can easily and frequently get 6 days on. If you commute, that can leave you with an 8 day stretch. With two days off, counting commuting, well you can see how that works...

I haven't looked back at my numbers for this year but I never broke guarantee and worked most RSV days (I'm a 2007 hire). If you're on the east coast you'll have a better experience in that trips are more productive without 6-9 hours of deadheading for each trip.

If you live in base it is a toss-up, in that you will sit out-of-base RSV so they can get better utilization out of you. So if you're based in CMH for instance, you'll sit RSV in GSO or PHL while the PHL or GSO guys are in your base sitting RSV. This allows them to hold you for the entire 12 hour period, then assign a dhd that gets you back to base under 16 hours. Your dhd will be outside of your 12 hour RSV block since you're on a pairing to be out of base. Seems to me that out-of-base RSV is most common on the last day. You do get per diem and 4 hours towards guarantee though.

RSV for the charter flying will be a complete mess. I don't even want to speculate on that one. Aircraft utilization is less than 1 flight per day so I'd fully expect to be dhding around the country instead of sitting RSV. It could be a good deal if you live in the charter base but I expect they'll just dhd you around the system.

As for IFP right out of training, I think if you were in training right now it might be possible. But there are only 5 FOs and 6 CAs for IFP so after the initial stand-up I don't expect anyone will be getting it until one of those guys/gals wants to leave. The staffing model for IFP is still in flux. They aren't sure if they will staff from DEN and just forgo the base. I honestly don't know what they are doing with IFP ATT.

Hercdaddy22 11-16-2012 10:31 AM

How long would it take to get ORD at CHQ? A few posts back discussed S5 saying it was senior and took about 1-2 years.

Hetman 11-16-2012 11:12 AM

A lot of you RAH wannabes are not smelling what the beentheres are pooping.

snippercr 11-16-2012 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Hercdaddy22 (Post 1294136)
How long would it take to get ORD at CHQ? A few posts back discussed S5 saying it was senior and took about 1-2 years.

Does CHQ do ORD flying other than for AA? Supposedly that contract is up in a few months and (as of now) has not been renewed.

RogerDorn 11-16-2012 04:41 PM

BB and WH won't let that expire....

troyb 11-16-2012 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 1294104)
Reserve here is a world of pain. Almost all reserve periods regardless of base are 0400-1600. If they need you at 1900hrs they'll call you during RSV and put you "back on rest" with a new show time and a reset of your 16hr look back clock. If not, they'll deadhead you someplace and dhd you back so you can begin your actual assignment after 1600hrs.

Sorry to hear that man. I have never had any of the above happen to me and I've only had 2 calls all year that were usually early (prior to 5am). I usually get a call one or two days prior with a nice 3 or 4 day trip. I've worked reserve at another regional and this is cake compared to what I went through before (19-20 days of sitting hot reserve at the airport per month).

Lab Rat 11-16-2012 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 1294104)
Q upgrade is closer to 6 years. Guys that were hired in Feb 07 are just now making it to the Q left seat (training backup).

If you have an aviation degree and experience as a collegiate precision flight team member, could you get a waiver and upgrade sooner? Perhaps in a matter of months?

oasis04 11-16-2012 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 1294411)
If you have an aviation degree and experience as a collegiate precision flight team member, could you get a waiver and upgrade sooner? Perhaps in a matter of months?

NO!!!!!!!!

Emb170man 11-16-2012 07:50 PM



Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 1294104)
Q upgrade is closer to 6 years. Guys that were hired in Feb 07 are just now making it to the Q left seat (training backup).

If you have an aviation degree and experience as a collegiate precision flight team member, could you get a waiver and upgrade sooner? Perhaps in a matter of months?

For you, sure...but only if were a member of Alpha Eta Rho or went to Riddle.

seattlepilot 11-16-2012 08:10 PM

I guess when they were teaching seniority during that aviation degree yiu skipped that class :)

Lab Rat 11-17-2012 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Emb170man (Post 1294440)
For you, sure...but only if were a member of Alpha Eta Rho or went to Riddle.

Forgot about 'Rho. :D

coryk 11-17-2012 11:40 AM

Are they firm on the 200 multi requirement? What if someone had 120 (ish) multi but over 1000 turbine single (PC12).

Herb Flemmming 11-17-2012 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 1294411)
If you have an aviation degree and experience as a collegiate precision flight team member, could you get a waiver and upgrade sooner? Perhaps in a matter of months?

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SlowATRDriver 11-17-2012 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by coryk (Post 1294769)
Are they firm on the 200 multi requirement? What if someone had 120 (ish) multi but over 1000 turbine single (PC12).

You never know unless you apply.

Bolo 11-17-2012 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 1294411)
If you have an aviation degree and experience as a collegiate precision flight team member, could you get a waiver and upgrade sooner? Perhaps in a matter of months?

No and what planet are you on?

Geardownflaps30 11-17-2012 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Bolo (Post 1294869)
No and what planet are you on?

No one has explained "trolls" to you, have they?!?!

hockeypilot44 11-17-2012 04:11 PM

What are the chances of getting the 190 out of training? If you get the 190, do you have to fly the smaller 170's also?

SeaRider 11-17-2012 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1294911)
What are the chances of getting the 190 out of training? If you get the 190, do you have to fly the smaller 170's also?

36.845% chance. If one does hit that magic lotto, the company would be well served to not ask such elite aviators to step to down to that dinky 170. In fact, 170 drivers generally address 190 guys as 'sir' and stand at full salute, or may opt for standing against the wall and staring sheepishly at the floor as a 190 driver passes. 190 members signify their positions in the exclusive club by wearing their epaulets upside-down. The percentage listed above is increased though if you have an aviation degree from purdue and were a member of a collegiate precision flying team. Also, if you look like the guy in the picture a few posts above, you automatically become a 190 captain. His mom is very proud of him.

block30 11-17-2012 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by SeaRider (Post 1294919)
36.845% chance. If one does hit that magic lotto, the company would be well served to not ask such elite aviators to step to down to that dinky 170. In fact, 170 drivers generally address 190 guys as 'sir' and stand at full salute, or may opt for standing against the wall and staring sheepishly at the floor as a 190 driver passes. 190 members signify their positions in the exclusive club by wearing their epaulets upside-down. The percentage listed above is increased though if you have an aviation degree from purdue and were a member of a collegiate precision flying team. Also, if you look like the guy in the picture a few posts above, you automatically become a 190 captain. His mom is very proud of him.

Damn...I really want to--nay, *need* to fly this mythical 190! Call me Ice Man! :cool:

MatthewAMEL 11-17-2012 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1294973)
Damn...I really want to--nay, *need* to fly this mythical 190! Call me Ice Man! :cool:

Or, you could get a job at JetBlue and fly 'the beast' making about 3x's more $. Just an idea...:D

(disclaimer - I worked at CHQ for 3+ years. Met some of the best people I know in this business. Management, OTOH, is a group of slime-sucking, bottom-feeding, robber barons)

sargeanb 11-17-2012 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1294911)
What are the chances of getting the 190 out of training? If you get the 190, do you have to fly the smaller 170's also?

For God's sake man!! I just shot beer out my nose...cut it out!

RogerDorn 11-18-2012 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 1294411)
If you have an aviation degree and experience as a collegiate precision flight team member, could you get a waiver and upgrade sooner? Perhaps in a matter of months?

I am actually speechless....

Emb170man 11-18-2012 05:28 AM



Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 1294411)
If you have an aviation degree and experience as a collegiate precision flight team member, could you get a waiver and upgrade sooner? Perhaps in a matter of months?

I am actually speechless....

He wasn't serious, he's a troll. But hopefully since he asked it, someone who was thinking it will get the idea.

FAULTPUSH 11-18-2012 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 1294411)
If you have an aviation degree and experience as a collegiate precision flight team member, could you get a waiver and upgrade sooner? Perhaps in a matter of months?

In fact, you can. I used a similar process to get a waiver to fly the F-16 based on my 6,000 hours of fly-by-wire experience in the Airbus.


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