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Moonwolf 11-09-2012 06:24 PM

New name for american eagle?
 
Surprised nobody has said anything about this yet. I've heard that eagle is asking its employees to come up with a new name for eagle.
I'm sure others have heard the same.

Ive thought of two names myself, "bald eagle airlines" & " taco airlines" .

Anybody else have ideas?

Lab Rat 11-09-2012 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1290201)
Surprised nobody has said anything about this yet. I've heard that eagle is asking its employees to come up with a new name for eagle.
I'm sure others have heard the same.

Ive though of two names myself, "bald eagle airlines" & " taco airlines" .

Anybody else have ideas?

American Canary?

SailorJerry 11-09-2012 07:22 PM

SureJet I bet

usmc-sgt 11-10-2012 02:50 AM

Comair......

LeftWing 11-10-2012 03:08 AM

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9McOOHvdPXY/0.jpg
..........

CANAM 11-10-2012 04:03 AM

They're asking their employees to come up with a new name? Seriously? Is there nothing more urgent they should be working on?

PiperPilot03 11-10-2012 04:08 AM

A captain I flew with said Spread Eagle. I thought that was pretty good:D

EV120 11-10-2012 04:10 AM

TransNationalAirlines....TNA

Mason32 11-10-2012 04:26 AM

Since AMR's plan is to cease using the American Connection brand, and make all contractors fly as American Eagle, they need a name change. AMR also still plans to dump Eagle so they can go it alone. They will need a different name to bid flying from US, DL, UA, B6 and others.

Supposedly Skywest and their xJ subsidiary have already been awarded an ASA to fly as American Eagle, in Eagles colors.

A new low for the regional industry. Not only will they impersonate mainlines; now they'll impersonate other regionals.

Actually, this is the foot in the door for them to outsource mainline brands to other operators. If all it takes is a corporate name change to outsource the brand we're all in trouble. AMR us saying the Eagle brand is theirs to use and license as they see fit; just like they license it for t-shirts and baseball hats. So, next they will create AMR Air and AMR ground services. They can transfer all employees to one of the two companies. Now none of the employees work for AA; and AA becomes a brand they can license. So, places like Skywest and Republic will fly A320's and 73's with American Airlines on the side... and a small Operated By logo near the door.

Everybody complains if commuters getting jets 25 years ago being the camel nose into the tent. Well, here is the next greatest threat. The brand isn't ours; it's theirs. Our contracts all say flying on behalf of the company, not all flying on behalf of the AA brand.

APA hasn't addressed it, and the Eagle ALPA union isn't fighting it even though its happening to them first. The major pilot unions need to realize this is where the next threat to our jobs will come from. Yep, you can do all flying on behalf of the company; but your company is AMR flight Services staffing company; not American Airlines.
Look at all the AA stations where all the staff has been layed off and offered their same jobs at AMR Eagle Ground Services. It's headed our way next.

HercDriver130 11-10-2012 04:57 AM

Flagship...Metro....Simmons......all names from the past.....

Avroman 11-10-2012 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)
Since AMR's plan is to cease using the American Connection brand, and make all contractors fly as American Eagle, they need a name change. AMR also still plans to dump Eagle so they can go it alone. They will need a different name to bid flying from US, DL, UA, B6 and others.

Supposedly Skywest and their xJ subsidiary have already been awarded an ASA to fly as American Eagle, in Eagles colors.

A new low for the regional industry. Not only will they impersonate mainlines; now they'll impersonate other regionals.

Actually, this is the foot in the door for them to outsource mainline brands to other operators. If all it takes is a corporate name change to outsource the brand we're all in trouble. AMR us saying the Eagle brand is theirs to use and license as they see fit; just like they license it for t-shirts and baseball hats. So, next they will create AMR Air and AMR ground services. They can transfer all employees to one of the two companies. Now none of the employees work for AA; and AA becomes a brand they can license. So, places like Skywest and Republic will fly A320's and 73's with American Airlines on the side... and a small Operated By logo near the door.

Everybody complains if commuters getting jets 25 years ago being the camel nose into the tent. Well, here is the next greatest threat. The brand isn't ours; it's theirs. Our contracts all say flying on behalf of the company, not all flying on behalf of the AA brand.

APA hasn't addressed it, and the Eagle ALPA union isn't fighting it even though its happening to them first. The major pilot unions need to realize this is where the next threat to our jobs will come from. Yep, you can do all flying on behalf of the company; but your company is AMR flight Services staffing company; not American Airlines.
Look at all the AA stations where all the staff has been layed off and offered their same jobs at AMR Eagle Ground Services. It's headed our way next.

Sounds very similar to Nike. They have become a virtual company. They are simply a brand and marketing with everything else outsourced.

Avroman 11-10-2012 05:02 AM

How about the name "The Walking Dead"? or has that already been taken by Pinnacle?

Phuz 11-10-2012 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1290314)
Sounds very similar to Nike. They have become a virtual company. They are simply a brand and marketing with everything else outsourced.

And Nike is one of those companies business schools love to 'teach' about.

DASH8AV8R 11-10-2012 06:17 AM

New name for american eagle?
 
Piedmont!!

rickair7777 11-10-2012 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)
Since AMR's plan is to cease using the American Connection brand, and make all contractors fly as American Eagle, they need a name change. AMR also still plans to dump Eagle so they can go it alone. They will need a different name to bid flying from US, DL, UA, B6 and others.

Yes.


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)
Supposedly Skywest and their xJ subsidiary have already been awarded an ASA to fly as American Eagle, in Eagles colors.

Supposedly they have already begun operations.



Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)
A new low for the regional industry. Not only will they impersonate mainlines; now they'll impersonate other regionals.

??? Nothing has changed, regionals will bid and fly anything which pays enough and the choice of branding is up to the mainline partner. "American Egale" never was a unique identity, it was just express branding which was created and owned by AMR.



Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)
Actually, this is the foot in the door for them to outsource mainline brands to other operators. If all it takes is a corporate name change to outsource the brand we're all in trouble. AMR us saying the Eagle brand is theirs to use and license as they see fit; just like they license it for t-shirts and baseball hats. So, next they will create AMR Air and AMR ground services. They can transfer all employees to one of the two companies. Now none of the employees work for AA; and AA becomes a brand they can license. So, places like Skywest and Republic will fly A320's and 73's with American Airlines on the side... and a small Operated By logo near the door.

Utter BS. All it takes to outsource mainline flying is scope relaxation.

You seem to have a very confused perception of what a brandname or trademark is...hint: it doesn't guarantee stable, lucrative, lifetime employment for labor.


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)
Everybody complains if commuters getting jets 25 years ago being the camel nose into the tent. Well, here is the next greatest threat. The brand isn't ours; it's theirs. Our contracts all say flying on behalf of the company, not all flying on behalf of the AA brand.

Here is the next greatest nothing...this is what happens to senior regional labor groups, it's their normal lifecycle.

If you don't like your scope language, change it. But it's going to be legally difficult for the company to "re-interpret" existing contractual language after years of compliance.


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)
APA hasn't addressed it, and the Eagle ALPA union isn't fighting it even though its happening to them first. The major pilot unions need to realize this is where the next threat to our jobs will come from. Yep, you can do all flying on behalf of the company; but your company is AMR flight Services staffing company; not American Airlines.
Look at all the AA stations where all the staff has been layed off and offered their same jobs at AMR Eagle Ground Services. It's headed our way next.

There's nothing to fight, other than to get the best scope you can. Nothing is going to stop airlines from outsourcing ground labor if that saves them money...those folks are relatively easy to replace.

Pilots (and to a lesser extent mechanics) are a riskier proposition...its takes so long to train them (I'm just talking FAR/OPSPEC mandated company training) that I doubt any mainline would really outsource it's mainline pilot group (threaten to, yes). If they outsource all of their pilots to one company, now that company has them by the cajones, and the pilot group has the outsource company by the stones. Nothing would be any different, except there would be a middle-man skimming off the profits.

The thing to watch out for is outsourcing of mainline international flying to "codeshare" partners, not to regional pilots.

HSLD 11-10-2012 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 1290311)
Flagship...Metro....Simmons......all names from the past.....

Executive, Chaparral, Wings West.......

atrdriver 11-10-2012 08:39 AM

American Emu.

Kind of prophetic, really.

mooney 11-10-2012 08:58 AM

I heard they bought the rights to the Colgan name from Pinnacle. I heard it from a check airman who's sister's friend works in corporate.

atrdriver 11-10-2012 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1290442)
I heard they bought the rights to the Colgan name from Pinnacle. I heard it from a check airman who's sister's friend works in corporate.

Heard the same from my roommate's drug dealer who has a cousin that works the ramp in MEM.

Moonwolf 11-10-2012 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 1290445)
Heard the same from my roommate's drug dealer who has a cousin that works the ramp in MEM.

Your roommate does drugs? You gotta be careful being a pilot and all.

atrdriver 11-10-2012 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1290451)
Your roommate does drugs? You gotta be careful being a pilot and all.

Someone's sarcasm detector is INOP.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/20587444.jpg

blastoff 11-10-2012 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)

A new low for the regional industry. Not only will they impersonate mainlines; now they'll impersonate other regionals

Not "new." ExpressJet WAS Continental Express Airlines, Inc. Then CHQ began to "impersonate."

Avroman 11-10-2012 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1290328)
And Nike is one of those companies business schools love to 'teach' about.

Of course, it is a near perfect model. Almost no overhead, all profits. As long as you (or others) don't do things to damage the brand image or have a product that becomes obosolete, you are basically sleeping your way to the bank.

evilboy 11-10-2012 11:07 AM

Comair.....just became available, has a nice ring to it, and is great for airlines that will be dissapearing soon.

FlyJSH 11-10-2012 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1290442)
I heard they bought the rights to the Colgan name from Pinnacle. I heard it from a check airman who's sister's friend works in corporate.

Are the pre ALPA work rules included in the deal?

Flyby1206 11-10-2012 04:25 PM

I thought it was decided a few years ago that Liberty Airlines would be the new name?

TBucket 11-10-2012 04:33 PM

Bendovair?

supersix-4 11-10-2012 04:34 PM

suprised nobody has said "republic" yet.. ;) or how about causing a thread closure by saying "GoJets"

EatMyPropwash 11-10-2012 05:04 PM

How about XgoTrans'TaquaSilverEagleWestMesaJet'Mont AirwayLines...

Paid2fly 11-10-2012 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 1290311)
Flagship...Metro....Simmons......all names from the past.....





You forgot Wings West, and Executive.

buddies8 11-10-2012 06:22 PM

you forgot Command, Air Virginia and Nashville.

blakman7 11-10-2012 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by evilboy (Post 1290498)
Comair.....just became available, has a nice ring to it, and is great for airlines that will be dissapearing soon.

Yeah that wasn't in bad taste or anything...

FSUpilot 11-10-2012 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1290201)
Surprised nobody has said anything about this yet. I've heard that eagle is asking its employees to come up with a new name for eagle.
I'm sure others have heard the same.

Ive thought of two names myself, "bald eagle airlines" & " taco airlines" .

Anybody else have ideas?

Bald taco airlines

HalinTexas 11-11-2012 12:52 AM

JetBlue Express.

Flyby1206 11-11-2012 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1290666)
you forgot Command, Air Virginia and Nashville.

Business Express?

HercDriver130 11-11-2012 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1290666)
you forgot Command, Air Virginia and Nashville.

Those were all eventually rolled into Flagship. :)

HercDriver130 11-11-2012 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1290659)
You forgot Wings West, and Executive.

True..............

johnso29 11-11-2012 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by blakman7 (Post 1290706)
Yeah that wasn't in bad taste or anything...

evilboy is furloughed Comair. I think he is simply trying to find humor in light of the situation. :)

jdlilfan 11-11-2012 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1290300)

Supposedly Skywest and their xJ subsidiary have already been awarded an ASA to fly as American Eagle, in Eagles colors.



Not supposedly, more like done deal. The planes are all ready to go for starting ops on 11/15.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...21473929_n.jpg

Could "operated by skywest" be any smaller?

BTW, the AMR eagle already has a new name picked, they just want to make people feel more involved and make employees think they are making a difference.

snippercr 11-11-2012 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by jdlilfan (Post 1290842)
Not supposedly, more like done deal. The planes are all ready to go for starting ops on 11/15.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...21473929_n.jpg

Could "operated by skywest" be any smaller?

BTW, the AMR eagle already has a new name picked, they just want to make people feel more involved and make employees think they are making a difference.

Sure could. It could be so small and not actually be there. At that point AMERICAN EAGLE pilots would actually be at the controls of an aircraft painted AMERICAN EAGLE.


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