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Captain Tony 12-06-2012 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RunnerMark (Post 1306122)
Why hasn't anyone guessed they are going to GoJet yet? I'm putting my $2.00 on that right now.

I seriously doubt the FAA will allow them to add that many airplanes to their certificate. Especially since they don't currently fly -900s and don't have a -900 program in place.

avi8tor220 12-06-2012 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1306117)
Money isn't everything. I have lots of friends who went to DAL, and have been there 5-7 years. They whine constantly about their schedules (reserve), and the only ones holding ATL are on the -88, the most miserable of all. Everyone I know on the 75/6 or Bus is NYC or DTW. I have a cousin who was NWA, and has 16 years in. He is DTW FO reserve on the 330. Reserve. 16 years. So some people prefer QOL to money. Just saying.

Tell that to the lifers at Pinnacle that are about to be put on the street. Or Comair guys. Qol is all great and dandy when your regional is growing. But it ain't gonna last. Look at what's happening. The regional model is rightsizing itself. Don't worry, those at Skywest and Expressjet will feel the same effects. Maybe not now but you will. Have the opportunity to bail, bail.

PBSG 12-06-2012 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Golden Bear (Post 1306110)
Mainline careers are hardly disaster proof. See AMR guys furloughed for over a decade, UAL guys furloughed twice in that same time period, etc.

Any career choice in this industry carries significant risk.

Someone gets it. Just going over to a major is easier said than done.

MaxQ 12-06-2012 07:03 AM

FWIW,

Why do we pilots have to always defend career decisions?
Everyone has a different family/personal situation, world view, values system etc,etc
We don't know until we retire or lose our medical if the various choices we made worked out or bit us.
I have worked for 2 "mainlines", they are both gone. I also know a gentleman who quit Federal Express during their dark days to go corporate. None of us has a crystal ball regarding a companies future.
So in short, perhaps we should all respect the drummer each individual hears.
Ok...rant over.
And so it goes.

astec 12-06-2012 07:07 AM

What some people dont realize...

When these majors start hiring with no TPIC req, and all these lowly regional FO's and junior captains leave because its an upgrade after a year or two to them.. what happens to all these top half, senior captains making 100k flying a 50 seater? Sure, the top of of those top half with be safe, but what happens to the rest? Instant downgrade, that is more of a pay cut than if they had gone to the majors hiring a year or two earlier.

So much for secure

Captain Tony 12-06-2012 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by astec (Post 1306146)
What some people dont realize...

When these majors start hiring with no TPIC req, and all these lowly regional FO's and junior captains leave because its an upgrade after a year or two to them.. what happens to all these top half, senior captains making 100k flying a 50 seater? Sure, the top of of those top half with be safe, but what happens to the rest? Instant downgrade, that is more of a pay cut than if they had gone to the majors hiring a year or two earlier.

So much for secure

What you're describing isn't going to happen overnight. They aren't going to start hiring no PIC until the supply of PICs is exhausted. So anyone who chose to stay by that point made their own bed. We're talking 10 years away.

TallFlyer 12-06-2012 07:12 AM

Delta Air Lines orders up to 70 Bombardier CR
 
Wasn't there a CRJ9 / 190 pay rate in Delta's last contract or am I just too tired to think straight right now?

astec 12-06-2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1306152)
What you're describing isn't going to happen overnight. They aren't going to start hiring no PIC until the supply of PICs is exhausted. So anyone who chose to stay by that point made their own bed. We're talking 10 years away.

that seems a bit far down the line.. it may happen sooner than you think.. Airways and Delta already have there 'Minimums' posted without a PIC requirement. Buddy up with a Chief Pilot, or the right person's secretary or assistant.. and you're in like a thong in oprah's rear

Captain Tony 12-06-2012 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1306155)
Wasn't there a CRJ9 / 190 pay rate in Delta's last contract or am I just too tired to think straight right now?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by astec (Post 1306161)
that seems a bit far down the line.. it may happen sooner than you think.. Airways and Delta already have there 'Minimums' posted without a PIC requirement. Buddy up with a Chief Pilot, or the right person's secretary or assistant.. and you're in like a thong in oprah's rear

It's always been that way. We've already had a few "special" FOs with no PIC go straight to Delta.

Pilotguy143 12-06-2012 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1306125)
I seriously doubt the FAA will allow them to add that many airplanes to their certificate. Especially since they don't currently fly -900s and don't have a -900 program in place.

We actually just got the -900 program approved by the FAA. Management says that while we don't have any plans for 900's, however, it keeps their options open.


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