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80ktsClamp 12-08-2012 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by bkaz (Post 1307804)
How many of those are inefficient 50 seaters the majors want to retire?

There will only be 125 left in the DL system by 2015.

Mesabah 12-08-2012 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1307822)
There will only be 125 left in the DL system by 2015.

Isn't that only if they take delivery of the full 70 900's?

80ktsClamp 12-08-2012 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1307825)
Isn't that only if they take delivery of the full 70 900's?

See the chart I posted in the Pinnacle thread. It increases by a couple each 900 they don't take.

johnso29 12-08-2012 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1307803)
I see the point you're making, but lets note that the NWA, DAL, and AA bankruptcies were all shams. They filed bk with billions of dollars of cash and assets on hand. It was solely done to "shed legacy costs" (drop pensions and slash union contracts), and "reorganize the airline". Delta could easily be taken back into bankruptcy if it suited their business plan. And also let's not forget about "forced manure". All it takes is a war event hitting a little too close to home.

Force Majeure is not allowed to be used for cost of fuel among other things per the Delta pilot contract.

johnso29 12-08-2012 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1307775)
Winner....Chicken for dinner...

Not bad for just a "regional".....

That's what happens when 3 separate regionals are owned by one company.

What 12-08-2012 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1307765)
Skywest Inc, with 727 aircraft, operates the world's largest fleet

Yup but AMR Corporation has more! If you count American Eagle and American Airlines the total is higher than Expressjet and SKW! Who operates the largest number of 50 in the world?

Senior Skipper 12-08-2012 08:28 PM

Can regionals grow while majors shrink? Isn't that what's been happening for the past 10-15 years?

gloopy 12-08-2012 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1307963)
Can regionals grow while majors shrink? Isn't that what's been happening for the past 10-15 years?

Yes.



Until fairly recently. Not that long ago any regional in existance was limited only by their ability to secure delivery positions from the factory. Now established regionals are downsizing, going through bankruptcy and closing their doors. Over all they are shrinking, and the ones "growing" are only taking some of the capacity off the hands of the ones shrinking or, of course, "growing" by merging with another regional. The sector itself is stagnant or shrinking, even if you include the latest AA/UCAL large jet allowances. After that if they are unable to secure true additional growth on a large scale, it will get ugly indeed at all but a few of the surviving regionals.

SD3FR8DOG 12-09-2012 01:48 AM

You might wanna google "Multi Crew Pilot License". It's already in m ICAO framework, just takes a major airline here to scream pilot shortage and Bam! Zero to hero. Or more like University flight training, 3 yrs turboprop with regional affiliate then right seat A320.

It's basically 121 shake and bake...

johnso29 12-09-2012 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by SD3FR8DOG (Post 1308021)
You might wanna google "Multi Crew Pilot License". It's already in m ICAO framework, just takes a major airline here to scream pilot shortage and Bam! Zero to hero. Or more like University flight training, 3 yrs turboprop with regional affiliate then right seat A320.

It's basically 121 shake and bake...

I think most of us are aware of the MCPL concept. But I don't think it is something that can just be implemented lickety split. We all know how fast our FAA & government move. And it's clear that aviation is not one of our countries top priorities.


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