other DCI regionals?

I'm just gonna assume those guys are gonna fold and vote in this concessionary contract.

I apologize in advance, not a nazi at all, it's just one of those eye burners for me...

Grammar Girl : Affect Versus Effect :: Quick and Dirty Tips ™

It will affect them negatively by effecting downward pressure on payrates as various carriers enter Section 6. But the reality is that Pinnacle folding and various regionals bidding against GoJet for the scraps would probably have the same effect.

You're right, as a noun. As a verb effect means to cause something, while affect means to influence something. See my example sentences above, and note the difference between the verb effecting and the noun effect.

It's one of those subtleties of the language that's not at all obvious and I usually have to think of for a while before I'm sure I've picked the right one...same with whether to use an apostrophe in "it's" or not. Also, it's usually really annoying people who point out that you've used the wrong one .

This is what I mean.

I'm assuming everyone is in agreement that this will negatively affect everybody else. I want to know what exact effects however...pay...qol...etc.

Yea but GoJets might be next on the bankruptcy table...this low bidding nonsense is not sustainable when your low fees are cut further when you factor in performance penalties. Unless you pay pilots with Trident Layers gum and monopoly money.

Unfortunately, one effect is that it reverses an upward trend in regional pay and work rules that was partly developing thanks to Pinnacle's new contract only a year or so ago. It really seemed like everyone was finally starting to make progress on moving the ball forward. The irony is that Pinnacle's bankruptcy has absolutely nothing to do with their pilot costs, and everything to do with a few ill-advised acquisitions, poorly managed mergers, and inflexible major airline partners who are now in the driver's seat and not above playing a bit of dirty pool.

Good god, yes. This incorrect usage of "effect" drives me NUTS. There's no need to apologize, man. You're trying to help other pilots not look ignorant.

Could care less. Nor should anyone outside of 9E. Don't stress over stuff that's out of your control. It's up to us at 9E and us alone. I haven't been able to make a roadshow yet so I'm either uninformed or misinformed. I hope all regionals go bankrupt and fold but that's just a pipe dream...

Saabs, this TA passing will affect every other regional airline out there, especially those in or nearing section 6 negotiations (which is pretty much everybody). ExpressJet/ASA and heck even GoJets is up on the amendable date of their 2007 contract.

The pilot profession is finally at that cusp of things changing for the better. Age 65 retirements slowly kicking in, not enough people entering this industry, not enough Commercial certificates being issued, ditto for ATPs. Why at this point would you want to agree to this 7 year deal? A majority are going to be jobless anyway. If you think the severence pay will only be offered by passing this TA, you are wrong. Delta offered Comair and DGS severence packages to make sure those pilots still showed up for work until they were no longer needed. Do the math, even Delta has already said it will take at least 12 months to wind-down 9E operations. If I was still at 9E, and this TA was to fail, and Delta says I'm going to be jobless in 12 months without any severence, I'd quit right then and move my wife and I into my parents basement. Let them staff the planes for the next 12 months. That isn't going to happen, and you know it. Ask the Comair pilots. There needs to be an incentive to get you to show up for work until the entire operation is done. Don't think that voting yes on this is the only way to get a severence payout. Past experience with Delta and Comair and DGS has shown otherwise.