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Milk Man 12-31-2012 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by emb145 (Post 1321179)
I was raised in a working class household in the Southeast. Parents split so I joined the Navy to finance college. Flight instructed, flew 135 boxes at night and got 800 turbine PIC there. EMB145 turbine PIC over 1500. 7000 total. Hopefully that gets me in the lower tier of "competitive" right?

Flying a Delta jumpseat on 76 with female FO. Got to talking about what's competitive with the crew to get a look from Delta and she speaks up and says, "Oh, I got hired here with 2000 total. Flight instructed till 900 and went to regional XXX. I didn't upgrade, (translate NO turbine PIC) and hired into the right seat here in 2007. You should be golden."

I guess she was clueless.

Just got me to thinking about how proud I was of being a Cherokee now.

Did she also recieve that free 737 type rting femles get from Delta on that Women Scholarship?

skyxbomb 12-31-2012 05:37 AM

Oh yea I remember 13 years ago when I was trying to apply to Harvard. I pretty much needed 1500 or higher on my SATs because I'm asian while your typical "white" American needed 1300 or 1200 if you were black or Hispanic. Quit your whining. Or maybe I should put in my résumé with the majors and get hired to test your theory. Last I check I think 90% of pilots in majors were white males.

trip 12-31-2012 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by skyxbomb (Post 1321222)
Oh yea I remember 13 years ago when I was trying to apply to Harvard. I pretty much needed 1500 or higher on my SATs because I'm asian while your typical "white" American needed 1300 or 1200 if you were black or Hispanic. Quit your whining. Or maybe I should put in my résumé with the majors and get hired to test your theory. Last I check I think 90% of pilots in majors were white males.






You would be foolish not to apply and check the box.

emb145 12-31-2012 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by skyxbomb (Post 1321222)
Oh yea I remember 13 years ago when I was trying to apply to Harvard. I pretty much needed 1500 or higher on my SATs because I'm asian while your typical "white" American needed 1300 or 1200 if you were black or Hispanic. Quit your whining. Or maybe I should put in my résumé with the majors and get hired to test your theory. Last I check I think 90% of pilots in majors were white males.

Harvard grad and Asian. Apply to the major of your choice and check the box. You're in.

Ottopilot 12-31-2012 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by skyxbomb (Post 1321222)
Oh yea I remember 13 years ago when I was trying to apply to Harvard. I pretty much needed 1500 or higher on my SATs because I'm asian while your typical "white" American needed 1300 or 1200 if you were black or Hispanic. Quit your whining. Or maybe I should put in my résumé with the majors and get hired to test your theory. Last I check I think 90% of pilots in majors were white males.

The point is not that we don't want minority pilots, it is the fact that they don't hire based on qualifications or experience. Kinda important in a jet.

When I was a chief flight instructor at a 141 school, I had three instructors hired straight into United with a few hundred hours. I had thousands and couldn't get an interview.

When I was a regional captain, every minority FO I flew with went to United, UPS, and American. I couldn't get an interview.

I met a girl at United when I was jumpseating. She had 400 hours and was doing IOE. I had 10,000 and a master's degree when I got hired at a major.

Oh well, that's life. Like I tell my kids, "life's not fair."

Ottopilot 12-31-2012 06:11 AM

I knew a pilot back in the '90's trying to get on with UAL. He couldn't get an interview after years of trying. Finally, he put "native american" on the application. He got an interview right away. At the interview they asked what tribe he was. He played dumb about it and was asked to leave.

Crawl 12-31-2012 06:19 AM

I think you have to be a "certain percentage" of the "race" or "ethnicity" to be able to "check the box."

"o_O"

emb145 12-31-2012 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1321241)
I knew a pilot back in the '90's trying to get on with UAL. He couldn't get an interview after years of trying. Finally, he put "native american" on the application. He got an interview right away. At the interview they asked what tribe he was. He played dumb about it and was asked to leave.

I agree with your posts Otto. I have no problem with minorities being hired at majors, but how is it fair when you put any of the examples above and compare to your resume. That just says that they aren't looking at qualifications first.

Regarding your last sentence, if I really did put Native American on my resume and Yonited calls, I guess I could "research" and get a "rough history" of a tribe that my "ancestor" came from and vomit that stuff to them like info coming out of my mouth when practicing for an oral. I'm adopted (for real) and I really "believe" that is the case after my "research" so what could they say to me? You don't look Native American.

Moonwolf 12-31-2012 06:21 AM

Nobody is offended yet because we are all white males. Except for our Cherokee nation friend, "how". Women and minorities don't make up the majority.

I agree there are some dissimilarities but when you think of who you fly most with? ... probably a white male.

Long story short, I just click " prefer not to answer column"

DeadHead 12-31-2012 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1321241)
I knew a pilot back in the '90's trying to get on with UAL. He couldn't get an interview after years of trying. Finally, he put "native american" on the application. He got an interview right away. At the interview they asked what tribe he was. He played dumb about it and was asked to leave.

Heard a similar story where the applicant did the same thing and when queried by the interview panel his response was that he had made a mistake and asked if that would be a problem.

Apparently he got the job.


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