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sflpilot 02-17-2007 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 119753)
You bring up an interesting contradiction.

You say we can't be that selective in the US because there would not be any pilots, "that's why you go on experience". Unfortunately for you, the pool of experienced pilots willing to fly for the airlines for the current level of compensation is dwindling rapidly. In order to maintain staffing, airlines are accepting pilots with less experience (instead of sharply increasing compensation)...and are doing so without negative effects to safety of the operation.

You still never answered this question in another thread - has there been a modern 121 accident in the United States directly attributable to a sub-ATP minimums pilot being at the controls?

You are advocating the classic race to the bottom. I feel sorry for you.

BoilerUP 02-17-2007 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 119757)
They knew the possible dangers when they joined the military. Airline passengers don't expect any danger and they have the right.

With a quote like that, I know you're full of ****.

BoilerUP 02-17-2007 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 119758)
You are advocating the classic race to the bottom. I feel sorry for you.

"Advocating the classic race to the bottom", simply because I challenge your assertion that sub-ATP minimum pilots are unsafe. That's pretty funny...

Ftrooppilot 02-17-2007 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 119757)
They knew the possible dangers when they joined the military. Airline passengers don't expect any danger and they have the right.

Flying (be it military or civilian)is inherently dangerous. That's why some people take trains and sports broadcasters cross the US in motorhomes. As aviation professionals, we minimize the risk.

saab2000 02-17-2007 06:07 AM

BoilerUP is not advocating a race to the bottom. He is stating the obvious. And he doesn't need your "Feeling sorry for him".

He and I and a few others on this board have been fighting hard to stop the race to the bottom. We just won a major grievance at our company which helps to do just that.

I have flown with captains at my company who, through good timing, are captains with quite low time. They have been almost without exception very good, safe pilots and have shown better judgement than some more experienced ones I have flown with who seem to revert to a 60's style cowboy way of thinking in tough situations. (LGA anyone?)

Don't pick on BoilerUP until you know the fight that has been going in within our company to stop the race to the bottom. We have lost a lot of business opportunities supposedly because of our pilot group's refusal to participate in that race.

sflpilot 02-17-2007 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 119773)
BoilerUP is not advocating a race to the bottom. He is stating the obvious. And he doesn't need your "Feeling sorry for him".

He and I and a few others on this board have been fighting hard to stop the race to the bottom. We just won a major grievance at our company which helps to do just that.

I have flown with captains at my company who, through good timing, are captains with quite low time. They have been almost without exception very good, safe pilots and have shown better judgement than some more experienced ones I have flown with who seem to revert to a 60's style cowboy way of thinking in tough situations. (LGA anyone?)

Don't pick on BoilerUP until you know the fight that has been going in within our company to stop the race to the bottom. We have lost a lot of business opportunities supposedly because of our pilot group's refusal to participate in that race.

Then the company will claim that they are bankrupt and start imposing rules. Most pilots don't have the gumption to walk to prove a point for the industry. See SkyHigh's posts for more info.

BoilerUP 02-17-2007 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 119823)
Then the company will claim that they are bankrupt and start imposing rules. Most pilots don't have the gumption to walk to prove a point for the industry. See SkyHigh's posts for more info.

I'm beginning to think you ARE SkyHigh. Your posts are so contradictory one to the next its difficult to ascertain exactly what the heck your point is.

So either we're "lowering the bar", or after fighting to raise the bar we'll inevitably be screwed by management and yet won't "have the gumption to walk to prove a point for the industry". You've proven time and time again you don't know jack about the regional airline industry in general or specific pilot groups as a whole.

How many times did YOU "walk to prove a point for the industry"?

sflpilot 02-17-2007 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 119829)
I'm beginning to think you ARE SkyHigh. Your posts are so contradictory one to the next its difficult to ascertain exactly what the heck your point is.

So either we're "lowering the bar", or after fighting to raise the bar we'll inevitably be screwed by management and yet won't "have the gumption to walk to prove a point for the industry". You've proven time and time again you don't know jack about the regional airline industry in general or specific pilot groups as a whole.

How many times did YOU "walk to prove a point for the industry"?

I know enough to know that it's a waste of time. Why don't you grow up and get a real life instead of running around the sky like a curious child.

BoilerUP 02-17-2007 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 119845)
I know enough to know that it's a waste of time. Why don't you grow up and get a real life instead of running around the sky like a curious child.

Goin' ad hominem on me after I've proven your arguments wrong time and time again, eh? That's the best quote yet!

You don't know sh!t my friend...

de727ups 02-17-2007 08:19 AM

I'm closing this. The lack of respect in both your posts is over the line. You guys need to learn to make your points without name calling and disrespect otherwise you'll find yourself drawing moderator attention.


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