American Eagle pilot removed in MSP
 

It says American Eagle Captain, but on the Eagle forum it's being said that an AA flight cancelled out of MSP today, so we shall wait for the media to straighten it out.... not, ha ha. Either way bad day for pilots and for AMR.

They updated the article added eagle and removed arrested since I posted.

The same thing happened on other articles, the LGA flight had a captain swap and was delayed a few hrs.

It's only a matter of time before we get a 24hr alcohol restriction in the FARs. And if it does happen, don't blame the FAA.

I'd quit....

If we wouldnt be stupid about overdoing it the night before. We only did it to ourselves. Which seems to happen a lot in this industry.

Speak for yourself.

A huge majority of pilots are responsible with their alcohol consumption, and will continue to be.

I'm not wearing diapers because a couple idiots **** their pants.

Eagle pilot arrested for drinking...
 

Wow! This should get interesting.

American Eagle pilot arrested at Minn. airport - Business - Boston.com

Merged two threads into one.

Repost! Already being talked about on a different thread!

If that's your particular camel's straw, you should.

Moved where?

This was actually the top story on abc's world news tonight. Somewhat ironic watching Sawyer drunk on election night now talking about this allegedly drunk pilot and then they went on to show several other cases of recent drunk pilots. Apparently 10-12 per year is the norm in the US.. The public really eats this up, it is so unfortunate that all the good we do is instantly overshadowed by someone showing up and blowing .06

For this CA & his family's sake, I sure as hell hope it was some type of breath wash to just gargle.


atp

"Hogan said he hadn't received any specific measurement for the pilot's blood alcohol level but said the breath test put him well above the legal limit, which in Minnesota is 0.04 percent."

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure the mouthwash defense isn't going to cut it.

Just saw on the news they had a big correlation between the movie flight and this story. What a joke. If I were him I think he might have some argument base on how he wasn't even at the airplane, And also no way to prove he had no intention of calling in sick.

Except they yanked him out of the cockpit while he was doing the preflight checklist.

Oh so the fact that he was IN the airplane ...............he is in a world of dog poop.

Is he still eligible to flow up?

If they save his job i think so. Prol best move he could make at this point.

So I guess Eagle are hiring 601 pilots in 2013! :D

"We" didn't do it.

Companies can attempt to have any sort of behavior control policies they want, but the FAA rule is based on being free from the effects after 8 hours (which is a reasonable assumption in the case of light casual drinking).

If the FAA were to extend the rule they would be getting into behavior control...AOPA at least would never sit still for that :rolleyes:

They (cops) always let them board the aircraft. Contrary to popular belief around here is there is NO law in any state against being drunk at an airport, being drunk in uniform, or coming to work drunk.

The law says you can't operate (or in many places "control" or "possess") a vehicle. More than one allegedly drunk pilot got off the hook, after being confronted at security, by claiming they had to come to airport to use the ops phone to call in sick and then nonrev home, or somesuch. The cops assigned to the airports wised up. TSA is in on it too, even though any smurf worth his salt is drooling and about to piddle himself at the prospect of collaring a drunk pilot, they all know they have to keep a straight face and call the cops after you head to the gate.

Mouthwash might get you off the legal hook (if you can pass a blood test), but it won't help with the DOT test...if you blow, it counts. You can't have alcohol in your system for any reason, even on your breath.

I don't think the DOT program even uses a blood test, I think they just go with the breathalyzer?

I thought they confronted him in an elevator not on the plane. In which case he could say he was going to call in sick and decided not to stay at the hotel. Didn't know he actually made it to the plane.

No they noticed him on the elevator and followed him to the plane.

I believe a blood test was conducted at a local hospital.

That's normal for DUI, basically a follow up to confirm and strengthen the case in addition to breathalyzer and field sobriety assessments. It's not part of the DOT program.

If you blow positive due to mouthwash on a DOT test, game over as far as 121 goes.

Ah well he's done then.

entrapment, illegal.

So let me get this straight...

You think because they let him get on the plane before arresting him that is entrapment?

You sound like the same kind of person that would sue Starbucks for burning you with the coffee you just ordered extra hot.

I understand it was the TSA that made their "observation" of his possible condition and they followed him to his work station. It was the police that made the arrest and conducted the tests. I fail to see how an airline pilot can be "entrapped" by willfully showing up for work and proceeding to his aircraft.

Entrapment is a defense to criminal charges when it is established that the agent or official originated the idea of the crime and induced the accused to engage in it. If the crime was promoted by a private person who has no connection to the government, it is not entrapment. A person induced by a friend to sell drugs has no legal excuse when police are informed that the person has agreed to make the sale.

The rationale underlying the defense is to deter law enforcement officers from engaging in reprehensible conduct by inducing persons not disposed to commit crimes to engage in criminal activity. In their efforts to obtain evidence and combat crime, however, officers are permitted to use some deception. For example, an officer may pretend to be a drug addict in order to apprehend a person suspected of selling drugs. On the other hand, an officer cannot use chicanery or Fraud to lure a person to commit a crime the person is not previously willing to commit. Generally, the defense is not available if the officer merely created an opportunity for the commission of the crime by a person already planning or willing to commit it.

The defense of entrapment frequently arises when crimes are committed against willing victims. It is likely to be asserted to counter such charges as illegal sales of liquor or narcotics, Bribery, Sex Offenses, and gambling. Persons who commit these types of crimes are most easily apprehended when officers disguise themselves as willing victims.

Most states require a defendant who raises the defense of entrapment to prove he or she did not have a previous intent to commit the crime. Courts determine whether a defendant had a predisposition to commit a crime by examining the person's behavior prior to the commission of the crime and by inquiring into the person's past criminal record if one exists. Usually, a predisposition is found if a defendant was previously involved in criminal conduct similar to the crime with which he or she is charged.

When an officer supplies an accused with a tool or a means necessary to commit the crime, the defense is not automatically established. Although this factor may be considered as evidence of entrapment, it is not conclusive. The more important determination is whether the official planted the criminal idea in the mind of the accused or whether the idea was already there.

Entrapment is not a constitutionally required defense, and, consequently, not all states are bound to provide it as a defense in their criminal codes. Some states have excluded it as a defense, reasoning that anyone who can be talked into a criminal act cannot be free from guilt.

Well said. It's disgusting what's become of resposibility in this country. The guy showed up to work under the influence. No outside circumstances or any other persons are responsible for where he finds himself today. He did it all himself. If he has a drinking problem hopefully he'll learn from this infortunate forced intervention and go on to be a better person.

That cell phone that weighs only a couple ounces is gonna seem like it weighs a ton or two when he calls and has to talk to someone in Washington DC @ the Office of Aerospace Medicine.



atp

i will and all should wait for all the facts be known. as of now we know a maybe. i would not condem anyone as some here have without first hand knowledge of all facts. not like the tsa has never been wrong or that the police being over conservative when in public view.

The TSA worker moonlights at night as a bartender :)

That's the least of his worries. He may as well put all his certs and medical in an envelope and mail them to OKC.

Actually, the most dreaded call one has to make in that situation is the one to the wife.

"You did what!?"