If we are going to personalize it. Lets personalize it correctly. ALPA represented the Pinnacle pilots. ALPA is run by a President who firmly believes in outsourcing. One of the principle tenets of outsourcing is lowering standards to reduce costs.

To distance themselves from responsibility for declining standards it is typical for companies to outsource the measurement of the objective criteria used. (ie the proliferation of ISO standards and rating agencies administered by third parties) Delta management's participation is hardly surprising.

The trend will probably reach a static bottom where ever the Federal Government decides it will be. "Legal" is assumed to be "safe."

There is no room to improve standards when the primary goal is to reduce costs. To quote Skip Barnette on the subject, "quality costs money."

 

Being a professional also means recognizing when you need to acquire additional items on the resume in order to qualify for a job. Which is more professional, working to meet those requirements or trying to get the requirements dropped? It's not much different than saying "Well, the job requires 3000 hours, but I only have 2000" and then hoping they lower the requirements rather than go out and make it happen. Getting a degree is not that hard. If I could do it while flying (mostly as an FO at the time), anyone can friggin' do it.

Also, it's "couldn't" care less. </pet peeve>

 

So, since some do not have the piece of paper in hand, you automatically assume that they have not furthered themselves?

Extremely ignorant.

 

This is getting pretty old. Delta can hire anybody they want to, Delta runs the company not DALPA. If Delta wants to waive the college degree they can. Please explain to me in simple terms why this is a violation of any agreement the Delta pilots have with Delta or how you feel so violated. I have a degree so I like my chances of competing against pilots who do not have a degree.

 

Sounds like the second guy spent less money and made it to the big show, while you spent more and are still riding around in an RJ.

Your comparison is apples and oranges. Your simply flying an airplane, not solving the worlds problems. It a piece of paper that cost us much but does nothing except help us join the club. It speaks nothing of the character or the professionalism of the individual without one, but speaks volumes about those whining like a 5 year old with one.

You reek of entitlement.

 

Brilliant!! Will we have become a nation of whiners.

I like my chances as well.

 

FWIW, the majority of pilots in my new hire class had Master's degree, or equivalent. A Master's was never required ....

 

Sorry you don't meet the requirements of the job, I guess, but they're requirements. Yes, Delta can change them if they wish. That's up to them, and if they dropped the degree requirement for non-Pinnacle guys tomorrow, I wouldn't even be talking about this. Most of the guys I heard whining when I was at Pinnacle were the ones WITHOUT degrees saying exactly what you are. The guys with the degrees didn't really care. The ones whining were the ones saying "I don't know why they require just a piece of paper." Who cares? They require it. Either get it or keep whining.

*I* reek of entitlement? I see requirements and if I want the job, I go out and make it to where I meet or exceed said requirements. How is that "entitlement?" Entitlement would be saying they should change the requirements to meet me since I'm "professional" and "do the same job already." I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.....

 

I agree, he/she is saying you reek of entitlement because you are arguing to actually go out and work to meet the requirements of the job? Entitlements are getting something you didn't work for; you didn't work for your college degree but you are still 'entitled' to the interview with Delta. That is exactly what the SSP is doing. If anything you are arguing the opposite of entitlements - if you want something go out and work for it.

So the Union lied about this deal not lowering the industry bar? If Skywest and Xpress have to be the second cheapest option then this did lower the bar and our own possible future salary. They told us it would not effect wages in the regional sector. They made backdoor deals and then hid this information from their own members? This whole deal was very shady. They also insinuated numerous times that we would be getting more than the promised planes if the deal passed. I don't believe a word they say anymore. I can't believe 85% fell for this, how much longer before pilots start working for free?

 

Just asking a question. Thanks for taking the time to not answer it.