Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330823)

Dude, you are so paranoid. How is your vote based on your apparent and obvious fear any good for anyone. You're a grown man. Are you afraid of actually working for a living or just ashamed that you won't be able to tell people you're a pilot anymore? That's if a liquidation were to occur, which I don't think would have. And chances are you're going to lose your job anyway. No one can prove otherwise.

Originally Posted by Will (Post 1330825)

N2Core what has lead you to believe a liquidation would of not occurred?

Originally Posted by Will (Post 1330825)

N2Core what has lead you to believe a liquidation would of not occurred?

Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330829)

You just said yourself, you dont think liquidation would occur and then in the very next breath you tell me Im probably going to lose my job anyway? Is that just wishful thinking?

Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330834)

It might have occurred, just not in the time frame that they would have you believe. It would've taken at least a couple of years. No other carrier could have trained pilots and staffed an operation to the extent that pinnacle would've been widdled down in. It's numerically impossible. What makes you think that a liquidation won't occur regardless of the TA?

Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330837)

Because if you are an FO, your chances of getting furloughed are greater than your chances of not being furloughed.

Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330841)

You have no idea where I fit on the list. It may surprise you to know that furlough projections are at less than 100 as we speak. Im a displaced captain so Im not as junior as you may think.

Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330845)

I might know you personally, we may get along off of this forum, and neither of us would know it. Doesn't matter. With a projected 80-something airplanes, you're not senior enough as an FO to not be furloughed.

Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 1330787)

I'm just surprised it passed by an overwhelming majority. I would've guessed maybe 60% ish. I'm not trying to categorize just pilots from pinnacle here but I think it is interesting that a lot of regional pilots blame the majors for giving away every regional airplane but then we have an instance like this. I understand that delta was threatening liquidation but they always threaten during a strike. And just look at comair who were promised a bail out and then closed anyway.

Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330729)

You mad bro? LOL

I'd be mad if I were in your poop filled shoes too.

Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 1330769)

What else is new? Same arguments and points that have been made for years. It's very hard to vote yourself out of a job.

Originally Posted by Telex69 (Post 1330877)

17 hours of pay for a week of vacation! Awesome!

Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 1331007)

Not a big deal since everyone from year 1-4 only gets a week. Year 5-15 only gets 2 weeks now, so it only screws you once or twice per year. The 16+ year guys win big with 3 weeks (screws) per year.

Originally Posted by LarryDavid (Post 1330855)

It is easy to tell someone how to vote until you are actually in their shoes. Guys saying that you can make more at home depot or on unemployment are full of rubish. Unless you have prior experience almost any job you get will be starting at the bottom for like $10-15/hr.

If anything what has been going on at the regionals is just a lesson to always leave yourself with outs. Even if you never have to go through what the 9E guys did you may still lose your medical. It should be the cardnial rule. Always have a plan b and heck even a plan c and d. The majors went through it in the 2000s, all regional guys are next. Now it is United's turn to dangle the carrots. US Air and american are probably close behind. There really needs to be a flying the line Vol.3 written about all this horse crap.

Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330571)

Who am I talking about? Pinnacle!

I make this thread for educational purposes...these pilots should have seen this coming a MILE AWAY. Let's recognize the symptoms so this doesn't happen again.

Ok....from the beginning now....

1. Pinnacle chooses to self finance 900's and underbid flying to gain regional market share. #FAIL

2. Pinnacle buys Colgan and Mesaba with money loaned from Delta with an interest rate of 12-13 cents on the dollar. #FAIL

3. Pinnacle files Chapter 11 and then accepts DIP financing from Delta with another ridiculous interest rate because Pinnacle barely has cash on hand to run its day to day operations #FAIL

4. Once again it falls on PILOTS to fall on the sword for management's failures. They overwhelmingly (85%) vote in a TA that cuts pay, cuts QOL, furloughs more than half of the group, and takes responsibility for Pinnacles bad business....while their CEO took a HUGE pay raise last year. #FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL

Originally Posted by LarryDavid (Post 1330855)

It is easy to tell someone how to vote until you are actually in their shoes. Guys saying that you can make more at home depot or on unemployment are full of rubish. Unless you have prior experience almost any job you get will be starting at the bottom for like $10-15/hr.

If anything what has been going on at the regionals is just a lesson to always leave yourself with outs. Even if you never have to go through what the 9E guys did you may still lose your medical. It should be the cardnial rule. Always have a plan b and heck even a plan c and d. The majors went through it in the 2000s, all regional guys are next. Now it is United's turn to dangle the carrots. US Air and american are probably close behind. There really needs to be a flying the line Vol.3 written about all this horse crap.

Originally Posted by MyMamma (Post 1330644)

I wonder how smooth and efficient the operation is going to run especially after everyone realizes they have been had.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1331182)

At Delta, Pinnacle, Epressjet, SkyWest, Republic, Alaska or GoJets?

The number of pilots screwed by this deal is ... well, pretty much everybody.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1331182)

The number of pilots screwed by this deal is ... well, pretty much everybody.

Originally Posted by Noseeums (Post 1331277)

You all accepted jobs at your own respective garbage carriers for $18 - $25/hr. Have a look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by flyboy32 (Post 1331145)

And don't forget that this is what you get when your UNION is just a dues collecting agency and does nothing to support better work conditions and better wages.

PATHETIC... How many other jobs did this deal affect in other places around the company....

Cowards.

Originally Posted by flyboy32 (Post 1331145)

And don't forget that this is what you get when your UNION is just a dues collecting agency and does nothing to support better work conditions and better wages.

PATHETIC... How many other jobs did this deal affect in other places around the company....

Cowards.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1331286)

If that was to me...I agree completely. We have all made decisions. We all accept the ramifications. I am honestly surprised at the outlash at PCL pilots. I'm not proud to be a part of this industry.

Originally Posted by Noseeums (Post 1331301)

No, I just skimmed the first page of message board warrior stupidity and replied from there. Not directed at you. I guarantee you any regional placed in this situation would have passed this TA. There's is nothing profoundly different about ExpressJet, SkyWest, American Eagle, etc vs. Pinnacle. What does carrier A have that carrier B doesn't? A couple bucks more per hour? Well my goodness! I betcha' have the finest above-ground pool in the whole trailer park!

Originally Posted by hemaybedid (Post 1331306)

I'm looking for roommates in dtw to share a trailer. I can't afford it on my own.