The Latest Epic Failure Of The US Regionals
 

Who am I talking about? Pinnacle!

I make this thread for educational purposes...these pilots should have seen this coming a MILE AWAY. Let's recognize the symptoms so this doesn't happen again.

Ok....from the beginning now....

1. Pinnacle chooses to self finance 900's and underbid flying to gain regional market share. #FAIL

2. Pinnacle buys Colgan and Mesaba with money loaned from Delta with an interest rate of 12-13 cents on the dollar. #FAIL

3. Pinnacle files Chapter 11 and then accepts DIP financing from Delta with another ridiculous interest rate because Pinnacle barely has cash on hand to run its day to day operations #FAIL

4. Once again it falls on PILOTS to fall on the sword for management's failures. They overwhelmingly (85%) vote in a TA that cuts pay, cuts QOL, furloughs more than half of the group, and takes responsibility for Pinnacles bad business....while their CEO took a HUGE pay raise last year. #FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL

And which of these management decisions should pilots change so that this "doesn't happen again?"

You read the recap and show me where pilots had a decision...but were bullied into being too scared to do something.

Come on...its not hard.

Official statement from Pinnacles management!

LOL! What a slap in the face!

That statement is from ALPA, not our "management".

Holy balls...that's even worse man.

Management driving companies into the ground and reaping benefits while forcing layoffs and concessions onto frontline employees happens in every industry. AIG, GM, Chrysler to name a few... Write your congressman.

O really? I never knew that. :rolleyes:

No one at Pinnacle is jumping up and down with joy over this. The statement is true. We didnt cause this problem, our management did. The BK judge even said as much and thats partly why he denied the company's motion to reject our contract in court. Unfortunately, Delta doesnt care. So this is what we're stuck with. Delta leveraged their hand over a carrier that was too broke to even make payroll (they're paying it) and this is the result. You seem to think we just bent over when there was another viable option. Hopefully your mgt is alot more sharp than ours (and I cant see how they couldnt be at this point), and you wont suffer the same fate whoever you fly for.

These things do not happen over night. This was delta's big plan. This will be the fate of most other regional's.

Did anyone really expect anything different? One thing about the internet polls the opposite almost always happens. 405 guys automatically voted yes just to save their captain slots. All the senior FO's/downgraders wanted to keep current while they plan their exit strategies. It is the same old tune over and over.

It is awfully easy for guys to get on here, puff their chests, and try and get guys to sacrifice their careers. My guess is those same guys would vote to save their own career in a heartbeat. If I was in their situation I would do the same thing and start looking for either a better job or a way out of this industry all together.

I wonder how smooth and efficient the operation is going to run especially after everyone realizes they have been had.

It will run just fine because we are professionals. We do not act like little kids and throw a tantrum because we did not get what we want.

Different strokes for different folks. Just because voting no wasn't viable for some doesn't mean it wasn't viable for other people. It was viable for me. I prepared financially for it and would have taken great pleasure in watching Pinnacle liquidate. It's over and done with. Lets look to the future now.

Processionals? Like a funeral procession?

Lol........

Wow my bad. Must have auto corrected. :o

I noticed the same "froydeun" slip.

Sorry, Pinnacle guys. No good options at this point.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...5-2-091158.jpg

Wow! Somebody with foresight & fortitude. I applaud you sir. Many of your coworkers and other folks countrywide can benefit from some of the things you are displaying here.

hiding behing a screenname and being an internet warrior starting threads bashing other pilots who will be out of a job or taking a 50% pay and QOL cut takes a lot of guts and fortitude, eh? and don't give me any "educational purposes" bs.

You mad bro? LOL

I'd be mad if I were in your poop filled shoes too.

TAKING!?!

You voted for it overwhelmingly!

ya, I get mad when teenagers and god's gifts to the regionals like you bash others not knowing how they voted who will now be on the street..... I see you didn't disagree that it takes no balls to start a stupid thread like this.

Teenagers? Gods gifts? LOL

Miss Cleo? wth?

I love it when an Internet tough guy tells someone they are hiding behind a screen name. What would you do if you knew his identity? Nothing.

Really?
 

It's annoying to see everybody ridiculing and blaming Pinnacle pilots for the TA being being passed. In the airline pilot profession, specifically the regionals, pilots have literally zero power, because its not their branded flying. Delta purposely built language in there secret CPAs so that they have back door exits to get out of contracts or manipulate the company enough to have much less money than it planned on having.

This reminds me of the Satellite dish service guy that said it would be $39.99 a month, but when the bill came it was $80.00 or more. You planned on a certain amount, but in the fine print language interpretation you realize they can do what they want.

Throw on top of that gross mismanagement and the RLA and what choices with which are the pinnacle pilots left? You are only worth what you can negotiate, and unfortunately due to industry laws, supply and demand, and pocketbook, DELTA is in control. At least for now. A lot of companies in wide ranging industries all over the country know that right now they can get away with treating their employees like crap because the economy is down and many in the labor force do not have many options to do anything about their bad treatment. However as history shows, everything goes in cycles, and following periods where companies treat people like ****, are periods where employees have all the leverage, force higher wages, and jump around the next highest paying job while the company eats the turds. I would even go as far as saying most people in the workforce would leave their job for a better paying job in a second despite how well a previous employer treated them, which is part of the modern phenomenon of employees not staying with the same company their whole life any more (and why people dont stay married anymore).

Instead of saying how weak pinnacle pilots are, pehaps give condolences for their loss. For everybodys loss in this profession. Lord knows your regional carrier is probably next on the chopping block, and you too will see how powerless you really are.

so you're the referee who doesn't throw the flag when he sees the tight end get poked in the eye and kicked in the nuts by the safety, but throws the flag when the safety retaliates......good on you.....:rolleyes:

and do tell, did I threaten him? Call his momma a name? what did I say that was "tough guy"?

This is no place for facts and common sense. It is a place for 1 or 3 ASA/XJT goons to prove to people they have balls........:rolleyes:

You went below the belt. You saying he is hiding behind a screen name is a personal attack on his integrity and is off topic. I see people play the "you hide behind a screen name" card all the time when they have nowhere else to turn. It was cool the first time somebody played that card back when the Internet was invented but not anymore.

What else is new? Same arguments and points that have been made for years. It's very hard to vote yourself out of a job.

Probably really well, since that guarenteed interview thing they got allows Delta to look at all of their employment records, not just PRIA.

You screw around even once and you may be putting your one out in jeopardy like never before.

Delta just scared pilots into giving up pay and behaving like never before and they all bought it.

I'm just surprised it passed by an overwhelming majority. I would've guessed maybe 60% ish. I'm not trying to categorize just pilots from pinnacle here but I think it is interesting that a lot of regional pilots blame the majors for giving away every regional airplane but then we have an instance like this. I understand that delta was threatening liquidation but they always threaten during a strike. And just look at comair who were promised a bail out and then closed anyway.

Our power is our vote. You just decided to tell management that you are happy (80%) with the TA.
I would rather have seen 0% turnout.
Wear your Delta lanyards with pride.

How DARE you be reasonable and level-headed in a Pinnacle bash thread! The nerve of you!

I'm a Pinnacle pilot and I was surprised as well.

Are you trying to be funny or are you just incredibly ignorant??? How is a powerful vote to lose one's job powerful at all?

Sometimes it's best to be put down than to suffer for a couple more years.

Dude, you are so paranoid. How is your vote based on your apparent and obvious fear any good for anyone. You're a grown man. Are you afraid of actually working for a living or just ashamed that you won't be able to tell people you're a pilot anymore? That's if a liquidation were to occur, which I don't think would have. And chances are you're going to lose your job anyway. No one can prove otherwise.

I would rather be stabbed and stitched up so I can go on than be shot dead. And if the day should come that you have to take the proverbial bullet to the head, I wont hold it against you if you dont want to. And I mean that sincerely.

N2Core what has lead you to believe a liquidation would of not occurred?