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JamesNoBrakes 02-02-2013 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1344636)
I get what you're saying. But those managers can cry themselves a river when their company can't staff planes while their competitor can.

It's simple, you declare bankruptcy, give yourself a bonus, and move on to the next airline. Probably best to give yourself the bonus first.

bozobigtop 02-02-2013 01:20 PM

Now you got it; if anyone sees a raise, its management, back to work!

chaser918 02-02-2013 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1344567)
This is wrong. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO RAISE THE PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This line of thinking is why there will never be a pilot shortage.

I cannot agree with this statement enough!!!
+1!!!!!!!

M20EPilot 02-02-2013 07:03 PM

I got hired with 25 multi when the stated min was 50 last year...

SongMan 02-02-2013 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by M20EPilot (Post 1344930)
I got hired with 25 multi when the stated min was 50 last year...

How? Job fair? Where did you get hired?

Yoda2 02-02-2013 07:27 PM

Multi time mins disappearing?
 
I wish the media and flight schools would finally stop proffering this pilot shortage BS. There might be a pilot shortage but there is no shortage of pilots, just those not willing to work for the wages offered. Also, until the regionals got established the ATP was the standard deal. The barrier now is, of course, getting that flight time due to the economy/lack of students and parents and banks not loaning the money for flight training as they once did. Even with all that there is still no shortage of pilots. Raise the pay! There are plenty of potential pilots with the multi time and ATP's or at least ATP Mins.

saab2000 02-03-2013 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by Yoda2 (Post 1344943)
I wish the media and flight schools would finally stop proffering this pilot shortage BS. There might be a pilot shortage but there is no shortage of pilots, just those not willing to work for the wages offered. Also, until the regionals got established the ATP was the standard deal. The barrier now is, of course, getting that flight time due to the economy/lack of students and parents and banks not loaning the money for flight training as they once did. Even with all that there is still no shortage of pilots. Raise the pay! There are plenty of potential pilots with the multi time and ATP's or at least ATP Mins.

There's no shortage yet because there has not yet been substantial attrition anywhere. The retirement numbers are gigantic.

I'm also not a fan of the words "Shortage" and "Pilot" being used in the same sentence but the fact remains that the industry is looking at about 1000+ retirements a year for the indefinite future.

The majors haven't really started the uptick on pilot hiring but when the retirements kick in in larger numbers they'll have to do so. That will hit the regionals very hard.

EatMyPropwash 02-03-2013 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by TBucket (Post 1344535)
There are definitely places struggling to find qualified applicants yet. TSA is hiring like crazy and having a hard time filling classes, for example.

They only want 12 to a class... 20 AT MOST because we don't have classrooms big enough to fit. The reason G7 can do 60+ in a class is because their systems training is all FSI. :eek:

mojo6911 02-03-2013 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 1345003)
There's no shortage yet because there has not yet been substantial attrition anywhere. The retirement numbers are gigantic.

I'm also not a fan of the words "Shortage" and "Pilot" being used in the same sentence but the fact remains that the industry is looking at about 1000+ retirements a year for the indefinite future.

The majors haven't really started the uptick on pilot hiring but when the retirements kick in in larger numbers they'll have to do so. That will hit the regionals very hard.

The shortage might be at the regional level, but with Comair down, PCL on the way, there are a lot of pilots on the street to make up for that.

Assuming the regional shortage does come, how are they going to make any money? If they can't put pilots in the front, they will go under. If they raise their pay to put pilots in the seat, they will go under. They aren't sustainable anymore. They will be forced to shut down and the majors will take back regional flying with bigger loads and less frequency.

I hope I am wrong, but I guess we will see.

FlyJSH 02-03-2013 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by mojo6911 (Post 1345407)
The shortage might be at the regional level, but with Comair down, PCL on the way, there are a lot of pilots on the street to make up for that.

Assuming the regional shortage does come, how are they going to make any money? If they can't put pilots in the front, they will go under. If they raise their pay to put pilots in the seat, they will go under. They aren't sustainable anymore. They will be forced to shut down and the majors will take back regional flying with bigger loads and less frequency.

I hope I am wrong, but I guess we will see.

They'll never go away entirely. But hopefully they will get back to the days of Feeding Into the mainline rather than replacing it.


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