Attn: Current Eagle Pilots
 

Current Eagle Pilots,

If you are unhappy with your ALPA leadership from Chairman and Vice Chairman please sign a petition to have them recalled.

Here is a weblink. Recall Tony Gutierrez & Dave Ryter as ALPA AE MEC Representatives Petition

Your information will remain protected. Please include your First and Last name, a good email address, and your employee number. All submitted "signatures" have been confirmed as AE pilots, and I will promptly remove any non-pilots to not askew the numbers.

We already have 22 signatures and it has only been online for an hour or maybe two.

If you are not on the AE seniority list your petition will be removed.

Also, if you are a Facebook follower, please join the Facebook group page. Here again, if your name isnt on the seniority list, I wont add you. It is a "secret group" so you'll have to search for it. Or maybe this will work https://www.facebook.com/groups/172269696253661/

Thank you.

These clowns need to go. Living the good life at our expenses, and thats a FACT JACK.

Any reason this isn't on Eagle Lounge?

Cus I don't pay to communicate. Go ahead, copy any paste. Share it!

Some paid reps are on my case already, reporting me as spam and so forth. They smell like spam in a can!

Holy #$%^ !
 

Fellow DFW pilots:


Yesterday, I sent out a letter to the DFW pilots concerning the out of control spending by our MEC chairman. I expected a mature and comprehensive response to the allegations but instead, the chairman chose to openly threaten my career as an airline pilot. The direct threat came in the form of a text message with a photograph attached. The photo insinuated that I was drinking while in uniform. It was taken during an MEC meeting in July 2012 at the ALPA National Headquarters in Virginia. I had just commuted in for the meeting, and the rest of the council were already having a catered dinner. In the photograph, it appears that I am drinking alcohol in uniform. The text message from Tony Gutierrez said only this: “Someone sent me this, thought you should know.” This comment was clearly meant to intimidate me. Putting my career in jeopardy by circulating a photo taken out of context shows the lengths he is willing to go to in order to deflect attention away from his own actions. All this has managed to accomplish is to strengthen my resolve to ensure accountability and put an end to the excesses demonstrated by our MEC leadership.


I have yet to receive any other communication from the MEC leadership.





Xxxxxxx Zxxxxx (identity withheld)

Vice Chairman

EGL Council 83

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Good luck guys...

Is a union officer exempt from Rule 32 ?

If he did this to me, I'd contact HR immediately regarding this insinuated threat. It also smacks of retaliation and abuse of power.

Oh please. I know everybody outside of Eagle keeps wishing for the wheels to start falling off around here. If anything it is more of a compliment that so many people from other airlines and even flight schools (Mojo) are so concerned about Eagle.

This is an issue with our Union chairman and his attempts at silencing opposition. Hardly a doomsday moment for our airline at large.

Agreed

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Who wants the wheels to fall off at Eagle?! I don't! :confused:

People at other Regionals have been sipping on this for the past 15 years:
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ESPECIALLY the ones who weren't able to get hired at Eagle for one reason or another.

It's actually been the opposite. A major portion of responsibility for Eagles current vulnerability (its "wheels falling off"), is BECAUSE of this corrupt circle. It's IMPARATIVE for Eagle pilots future to remove the top officers and especially the MEC chair if they want to have a chance at controlling their future. As long as these idiots stay in power, Eagle pilots are that much more in jeopardy.

If you are an AE pilot and unhappy with your union representation, please sign a petition. Name, email, and employee number.

Recall Tony Gutierrez & Dave Ryter as ALPA AE MEC Representatives Petition

Oh, please. I got the offer at AE (2 weeks before BK and watched hiring stop) and I am an idiot.

Not everyone is out to get you.

Your Facebook group doesn't work.

If http://www.facebook.com/groups/172269696253661/ doesnt work after your signed in to facebook already, I am not sure what to tell you. I made it private. You have to be added. Dont worry, all the activity is on the petition, not the FB page. We have a long and hard fight. But I am game!

When you click it, it says content not available.

Sorry Mason32. I am not a facebooker so not sure how I can do this. fill me in. I want a private group but let people find it and ask to be accepted!! Nothing is going on with the page. 80 petitions in the first 6 hours. need more!

try this link

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dont know why it pops up as a star but click it and take you to the petition.

I absolutely wasn't hoping for the wheels to fall off at Eagle. Far from it. As a non-Eagle guy, just looks like a crappy situation.

ahhh, just wait it is going to get interesting.

Change the settings. What you want is the one that requires moderator approval to join. If you make it private, you have to send an invite to people for them to join.

Roger I will try...

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If you are an AE pilot and unhappy with your union representation, please sign a petition. Name, email, and employee number.

Recall Tony Gutierrez & Dave Ryter as ALPA AE MEC Representatives Petition

O man, *******ts about to get real. In on this.

120+ signatures the first day

*BUMP* Just watching from the outside, but how many signatures are required for a successful recall? Good luck guys.

1501 would be a good number to get the real point across. For an actually recall, it takes the LEC to vote this bozo out. That requires everyone to call, text, or email their LEC rep and tell them TEAM TONY MUST GO! I did, and passed on his contact info to every FO I know, asking them to do the same.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/172269696253661/

Has been fixed. Closed group. But can be seen from public. Administrator has to add you. If your name isn't on the seniority list. It won't be added.

Not sure why you are always riding on my jock, as I don't even know you. I have about 5 good friends at Eagle and it would be devastating for them to be without a job. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Feel free to search my posts and find anything remotely close to me wishing them failure and I'll buy you a beer.

You do know me, dude. I think you are a cool cat...I remember when you made up English names for all your Indian students on Orkut. Pretty funny...

I also know you are somewhat anti-airline and Eagle seems to attract your wrath. Probably because it is your hometown airline and therefore the biggest target.

It's all good though. Reading these forums all the bitterness just gets really old.

Not anti-airline, just anti-airline management. I have more information about Eagle since I know people who work there, opposed to someplace like Mesa (are they even around anymore?)

Just an FYI, I'd probably do away with the Facebook group if I were you. It not only gives away your own identity, but also those that are members of the group, even to people not part of the group. I'd be more worried about retaliation over it.

Stick with the petition website, which is more anonymous for outsiders.


No dog in this fight at all, just an outside suggestion.

Actually, cancel what I said about the petition having anonymity to the outside public... just realized that it does in fact show the creators name as well.

If one doesnt want to join. They dont have to ask the administrator to join them. And if they dont like it they can remove themselves from the group.

I dont care about my identity. I told TG and DR to resign via email.

Do you plan on passing around an actual petition to sign since many of our pilots probably don't come on here?

Who cares about being anonymous. It's not our management were going after and were not breaking any company rules. This is strictly a matter inside the pilot group. Last I checked no union can fire an employee. I wouldn't be a member if they didn't take my money regardless.

210+ signatures so far

just an interesting FYI technicality, the union can tell the company to fire you for failure to pay dues. You can request to come off auto dues and have them send you a bill. I think its 2-3 months of non payment before you will get fired..

The petition is internet based dude. R u telling us that pilots won't be able to sign on to the Internet via a library. Company computer. Hotel computer. Smart phone. What's a pencil and paper anymore, anyways!

Link: Recall Tony Gutierrez & Dave Ryter as ALPA AE MEC Representatives Petition The link doesn't say a #2 pencil is required. :p

And the shots are firing back and forth!!!


Wednesday, February 27, 2012



LEC 133 NewsBlast
Fellow American Eagle Chicago Pilots:


Last week, the DFW and New York local representatives sent an email to their councils accusing the MEC Chairman of an inappropriate expense reimbursement. Until now, Rxxn and I have elected to stay out of this kind of petty foolishness and instead, focus on representing Eagle pilots' best interests. Unfortunately, someone has to set the record straight so that the American Eagle pilots can understand what kinds of individuals are making these accusations.


First, please understand the following; the MEC is a body that functions by the will of the majority. In other words, every member gets to speak their mind and cast their vote, but at the end of the day the will of the majority rules.


For the record, the DFW and New York reps were opposed to the TA reached in 2011 regarding the divestiture and were either opposed to the bankruptcy TA in 2012 or chose not to vote on the issue at all by way of an abstention. This does not make them bad or good, it simply means that they were in the minority and were overruled by the will of the majority of the MEC. Keep in mind also that the MEC Chairman and Vice Chairman don't vote; so when I say they were overruled by the majority of the MEC, I am speaking of the other duly elected leaders of their respective domiciles.


I too have been overruled on a number of occasions. Sometimes it is very disappointing or frustrating, but I respect the will of the majority.


Confirming the will of the majority was the fact that 85% of our pilots voted and 75% of them voted "Yes" to the bankruptcy TA. In other words, the system of representation and the will of the majority worked.


Who I have zero respect for are the four reps in New York and DFW who have made it their mission to destroy the credibility of this MEC at every turn simply because they did not get their way with their political agenda. MEC elections are this August, and those making the accusations are demanding MEC officer resignations or they will keep making the accusations. Apparently, they cannot even wait until August to try to accomplish their political agenda.


The accusers have anything but a clean record.


Last year, the Captain Representative of Council 121 falsified an expense report and claimed that he drove to and from a meeting in Washington D.C. when in fact, he jump-seated at no cost. When discovered, this representative was confronted individually, at which time he lied to those confronting him. He was then presented with proof by a larger group, at which time he lied again. Only then was it brought before the MEC and surprisingly he lied again. Finally, when the MEC was presented with overwhelming evidence of this fraud, this representative admitted that he did in fact falsify the expense report. The MEC directed him to repay the amount he stole and admit this fraud to the pilots who elected him. He never did so. Guess who ran to his defense? The other New York and DFW representatives.


Why would they assist in his defense for something that was obviously wrong? Well maybe it is because they have similar morals. It was not that long ago when the DFW Captain representative instructed the new DFW First officer representative, who is now the Negotiating Chairman, that the way to get reimbursed for expenses ALPA does not allow reimbursement for is to claim them as office supplies, because the Finance Department has no way of verifying the validity of that expense.


A few weeks ago, it was discovered that for the past two years, the current MEC Secretary-Treasurer had rejected his company paid hotel room for recurrent training and instead, stayed in a union paid hotel, costing the MEC and the pilots hundreds of dollars. This was brought to the MEC's attention, and the MEC amended policy to ensure that this kind of behavior could not again occur without the approval of another officer. Guess who rushed to the MEC Secretary Treasurer's defense and voted against the new policy? That's right, the very individual who falsified the earlier expense report.


If you have a question about an expense, I would challenge you to call the individual who is being accused and ask him directly. I am sickened by those who claim to be trade unionists but instead, use all of their energy to trash others who volunteer to serve the pilots. This is especially true in a time where we have just inked a historic bankruptcy agreement that should place Eagle on solid footing for the next eight years, we are in the middle of negotiating PBS and AQP, and we are beginning to see over a dozen arbitration victories pay off as Eagle pilots once again begin transferring to AA. Our new 133 reps have a lot of work ahead of them and it is truly a shame that certain members of the MEC have chosen to make petty internal bickering their primary focus, rather than the needs of the pilots they were elected to represent.


I absolutely despise writing this letter because it makes it appear that all union volunteers behave in this manner, when in fact most of your volunteers behave with the highest morals, and utmost faithfulness and respect for the pilots they represent.


I am in my last days before turning Council 133 over to the very capable hands of Captain Glxxna. But I simply cannot leave this job while those who behave with the least morals and least maturity are allowed to trash those who have sacrificed unbelievable time and effort during the most difficult period in our history. I am proud of the improvements I achieved while serving as your elected representative. One of the biggest achievements was getting the right team elected into the higher positions of our Union when the “crap was about to hit the fan”.


It has been one of the finest pleasures in my professional life to serve the Chicago pilots over the past few years. It is my greatest wish that you have faith in the volunteers who sacrifice so much personally for the benefit of the pilot group as a whole. And it is also my sincere hope that you will be able to distinguish between those who work so diligently toward this end versus the few who use ALPA for their own personal and petty gain, and to slander the association and the volunteers who represent you. It would benefit you greatly to disregard the current New York and DFW representatives, for very few things that they say or publish have any validity at all. It would be better if the pilots that elected them held these representatives accountable for their own actions.


Fraternally,





Fxxxk Kxxxxxa
133 CA Rep
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