Well then if they don't use long call then you don't have to check your schedule on your day off then since that only applies to RLC. As far as the short call, it has been extended from the current 90 minutes to 2 hours. Where exactly does it say there will be no reserve guarantee? On the industry comparison chart on the company page it says LH and RSV = 75 hours.

Karma have you even read the actual proposed terms from the company? The RSC reserve guys are also required to self notify the day prior. It isn't just the RLC. And since there is no minimum ratio of RLC to RSC, the company isn't required to actually award anything. Just like in our contract today we have provisions for Hybrid/Composite lines but the company is not required to use them so they don't.

Additionally, this new contract requires that a Hot Reserve guy have a bag packed and ready to go with him at the airport for the length of his reserve period. So you better carry that packed bag for 6 days to the airport every single time. Our current contract says for a multi day trip they must give you time to grab a bag. Yet another concession.

Finally, for the reserves, right now once you are given an assignment you are no longer responsible to answer the phone...but this new Last Best Offer requires every single pilot not just reserves to answer the phone during duty? That is a huge concession.

Yes!! It is a violation of the FARs if this day off is your only day off in the past seven. You can not have a present responsibility to the company on a required day off.

When this was incorporated into the Comair bankruptcy concessionary contract it had to be corrected by the FAA stepping in after numerous ASAP reports. You DO NOT want this verbiage in your contract no matter how simple it may seem to make a call or check in on line at first glance.

Remember to learn from the mistakes of those that preceded you. There are many many good reasons this LBFO was rejected by the NC. Believe it or not, they know what they are doing...protecting YOUR interests and desires.

Im starting to wonder about you. Instead of reading the company notes, try reading the actual proposal. Of course the company isnt pointing out shortcomings that will hurt pilots badly.

As for min guarantee, its for all pilots. Once the rest rules are implemented, guarantee is gone. That means as a reserve pilot, if you fly 20 hours in a month, thats your pay. That nice FO raise means NOTHING without guarantee. It seems like you really want to like this proposal, which is fine. Just please read it very very thoroughly. For everything given, the company takes 2 times as much. All vague language in every section. There is a reason for that. This will end up being concessionary in every way.

Just curious...

Has the IBT provided anyone a previous example where an "LBFO" triggered a membership vote?

I am not an aviation history professor, but I can't think of this happening before...EVER.

If I was an employee of the IBT Airline Division I would be worried about the future viability of the entire operation. Why would anyone want to be represented by an organization that provides the Company this "out".

I realize what Article XII, Section 1 (b) says, but the IBT C&B's do not override the RLA. The Airline Division just handed you a grenade, pulled the pin and ran out the door.

What happens if this is ratified? It isn't even a TA at this point in time.
What happens if this is turned down by the membership? Does the Co simply offer another LBFO and you go through the entire goat rodeo ad nauseum?

I realize that your EXCO President recently told you that the Company can't change their LBFO. I'm sorry but this is completely false. In fact, the NMB doesn't even recognize the term LBFO. The RLA doesn't recognize the term. The RLA basically contains 12 steps to a new CBA and you guys are entrenched in step 5. You do not have to touch every step and most negotiations skip 8-11, but the fact that the Company used the term LBFO doesn't get you any closer to an agreement. Now your own Union has intervened, delayed negotiations and forced a vote that will certainly produce no tangible results.

Google "UPS pilots 1997" if you don't believe me about the LBFO, the RLA and mediation. They were in mediation and the company proposed their LBFO before the holidays. The union drew a line in the sand at 21% pay raise while the Co LBFO was 19.8%. They eventually settled on 27% (most of which was retro pay, an interesting and unique circumstance but I digress). My point is the mediator in the UPS negotiation allowed the LBFO and then scheduled additional sessions (after the holiday rush to protect the Co). The Co obviously modified their LBFO, but your EXCO President just assured you that this wasn't possible.

I read the IBT timeline, you have a month to figure this all out.

Call the IBT AD, ask them why they intervened. More importantly, ask them if the have EVER mandated a vote after a LBFO.

Call your EXCO Pres, ask him why he thinks an LBFO can't be changed.

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Our rules say that you have to call any time between 4pm the day prior, and 2 hours before your reserve window to see if you've been assigned. Once you've called and been told that they don't have anything, you're off the hook until the reserve window starts. We're better off calling earlier than later, because later gives them more time to put something on your schedule, so I'd love it if we could call at noon instead of 4pm.

And where does it say that in the FAR's? Please.

I can't help you if you don't know or understand the basic FAR rest rules. Good gawd!

In the FARs it states that you have to have 24hours off every 7 days. Off has been interpreted by the FAA as free from any obligation to the company.