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block30 04-08-2013 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Bellanca (Post 1387153)
Part of the point of this thread is that people can't get to ATP mins by banner towing. Check flying pretty much doesn't exist anymore, and there aren't enough cargo jobs to go around.

I thought Ameriflight and Airnet/Flightexpress were pretty regular at hiring. There are many locally known freight jobs, too. Yeah, bank work has dwindled, but other things are still time critical. It also seems like SR-22 air taxi type gigs are popping up quite a bit. Plus aerial mapping, pipeline patrol, various corporate gigs...
If the airlines have trouble finding people through traditional means, they will have to find ways to get people via their own methods; bonuses, sponsored flight training, career progression, etc.

Blackwing 04-08-2013 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by Bellanca (Post 1387153)
Part of the point of this thread is that people can't get to ATP mins by banner towing. Check flying pretty much doesn't exist anymore, and there aren't enough cargo jobs to go around.

B.S. There are ample opportunities to build time out there that don't involve flit instruction. Mapping, flying the ditch, dropping meat bombs, traffic watch to name a few.

JamesNoBrakes 04-09-2013 03:04 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 1387306)
B.S. There are ample opportunities to build time out there that don't involve flit instruction. Mapping, flying the ditch, dropping meat bombs, traffic watch to name a few.

You mean things that will be done by drones or just flat out obsolete?

MikeB525 04-09-2013 03:24 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1387335)
You mean things that will be done by drones or just flat out obsolete?

Practically, probably still years off, if ever. There's a lot of public opposition to drones and they'll probably never be used to carry pax. And even with drones, anything bigger than the little toy-sized ones will probably require a licensed commercial pilot to fly them from the ground. So now logbooks will come with a UAV column!:D

BlueMoon 04-09-2013 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by MikeB525 (Post 1386759)
With the talk of the ATP rule and safety, I came to this realization recently and I'm going to throw it in here. This is probably my first time doing anything that could be considered "flame bait".

Libertarians like John Stossel often argue that government regulations can wind up making the public less safe, for various reasons. Using the same logical process, it's possible that the ATP rule will actually result in more transportation-related deaths and casualties. Here's how:

1- The ATP rule makes it substantially more difficult to become an airline pilot, which could maybe potentially cause difficulty for the airlines (regionals) to staff their flights.
2-This will cause the product (air travel) to become more expensive or limited in supply (airlines may have to cut service).
3- People will still want to go to Disney World and visit grandma, so those people who can no longer fly will drive or take busses, which are fundamentally more dangerous and result in more highway casualties, which will probably outweigh the reduction in casualties from more experienced pilots.

I'm fine with all 3 of those. They add value to our skills and product.

MikeB525 04-09-2013 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1387441)
I'm fine with all 3 of those. They add value to our skills and product.

You're fine with more people splattering on the highways so that pilots have better employment prospects?

rickair7777 04-09-2013 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by MikeB525 (Post 1387457)
You're fine with more people splattering on the highways so that pilots have better employment prospects?

not our problem, if highway safety is an issue then highway people need to worry about it.

JamesNoBrakes 04-09-2013 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1387467)
not our problem, if highway safety is an issue then highway people need to worry about it.

Totally. I'd rather keep aviation safe and preserve its reputation.

block30 04-09-2013 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by MikeB525 (Post 1387457)
You're fine with more people splattering on the highways so that pilots have better employment prospects?

At first I thought you playing devil's advocate, now I'm not sure. Please tell me your logic is not as I posted before, "people drive like morons, therefore pilot standards should remain low." How is that valid logic?! :eek::confused:

Also I'm tired of the zero responsibility rationale here..."So if we as a nation drive horribly enough, airlines will be forced to cart our butts around more cheaply. There's no way we can put down the beer, the cell, or the cheeseburger when we drive, that would mean I have to exercise self control.". :rolleyes:

AtlCSIP 04-09-2013 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by MikeB525 (Post 1387340)
Practically, probably still years off, if ever. There's a lot of public opposition to drones and they'll probably never be used to carry pax. And even with drones, anything bigger than the little toy-sized ones will probably require a licensed commercial pilot to fly them from the ground. So now logbooks will come with a UAV column!:D

Actually, it isn't as far off as you think. I know a UAV driver who is a commercial pilot, makes more than a senior Regional captain, has less than 300 flight hours, has thousands of drone hours, and can't get a flying job. A very high profile cargo carrier is very interested in acquiring the technology he uses for their ops. Also, if UAV time ever gets logged, it will be like Sim time, which is not flight time.

It is only a matter if time before we become obsolete for commercial passenger carrying ops. Cargo guys will get it first. 121 Trans Con will get it next to eliminate the extra crew members during cruise, then domestic flight crews will be reduced to just one pilot who does nothing but monitor the systems. Eventually, he will retire and nobody will take his place.

I think the technology will remain too expensive for aircraft with less than 50 seats, but it's eventually coming to a PAX airline near you.


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