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05-19-2013 | 11:34 AM

#731

Bartok

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People on here really struggle with the concept of sarcasm.

Maybe RGS should have a T/F module on the intricacies of sarcastic thought for pilots.

05-19-2013 | 11:36 AM

#732

vilcas

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Sarcasm aside lots of pilots need a reality check.

05-19-2013 | 11:42 AM

#733

Diesel450

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From: CORP

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Originally Posted by Gearswinger

The point still stands, Comair guys' skill had nothing to do with that place surviving or folding. If your airline goes under (which 9e may very well do before I ever see the left seat), you get to start all over again. Your skills have nothing to do with moving up, it's all just hanging around long enough.

Exactly, today pilots are nothing more than commodities, in the eyes of management. Skill, being a quality person has nothing to do with advancement in the seniority based system we have.

Delta management just looks for the cheapest group to fly their RJ's (assuming the same level of safety, which can/may be argued), just as they shop around for better fuel prices. If they can have move control over the group, as they now do over Pinnacle the better for them. Very similar to the purchase of the refinery, it allows them to better control their costs because they are running the show.

05-19-2013 | 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by whoareyou311

That's a flat out lie...your skills have not gone up flying a much more highly automated aircraft than the CRJ. The airbus takes the pilot out of the equation. The CRJ requires more input from the pilot. I have flown with pilots that came from the airbus to the CRJ and they struggled with even the simplest of tasks. So therefore your statements are incorrect.

Nonsense. The CRJ has a sissy yoke whereas the Airbus has a sidestick, putting it on a higher pedestal next to the likes of F16 and the fly by wire system. It also depends which RJ you are coming off from. I went from a 50 seater RJ to a 149 seat Airbus, so my skills increased 3 times over as a better pilot. However, if one goes from a 76 seater CRJ-900 to the A320, his skills will increase 2 times. Reference the linear chart, it will make sense then.

05-19-2013 | 01:48 PM

#735

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Originally Posted by higney85

So shyguy,

Since you are posting in the "regionals" forum, are you still a regional pilot (on the "super -RJ") or should we feel privelaged to be graced with your presence as you are "mentoring" us?

Oh no hickey you couldn't afford my going rates for mentoring.

05-19-2013 | 01:51 PM

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FlyJSH

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

It is a linear relationship. I went from flying a 50 seat RJ to a 149 seat Airbus, and my skills have gone up 3 times over. 50 seats x 3 = 150, so yes the linear relationship works. I am now 3 times better than I was when flying the RJ.

Okay, three times better... but three times zero is still zero.

05-19-2013 | 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH

Okay, three times better... but three times zero is still zero.

No. Flying a 50 seater gives a skill unit of 1. Not zero. Then you can do the math.

05-19-2013 | 03:43 PM

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higney85

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Oh no hickey you couldn't afford my going rates for mentoring.

That's original. Most people end up calling me an ass.

05-19-2013 | 04:22 PM

#739

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Nonsense. . . . whereas the Airbus has a sidestick, putting it on a higher pedestal next to the likes of F16 and the fly by wire system. .

Neither of these prove "higher pilot skills" although I would favor the F16 pilot.

Modern airplanes and navaid technology do not develop "seat of the pants" pilot skills. After pilot training (T-37 / T-38) and C-141 flying I was an excellent " by the book " pilot. It wasn't until I flew UC-123s cross controlled up and down mountain sides in Vietnam (spraying at 100 feet ) that I really learned to fly airplanes.

FYI The Air Force Academy tracks graduate UPT/SUPT performance. The top performers are Cadet CFIGs from the academy soaring program.