Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Regional (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/)
-   -   Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan ISL question. (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/74375-pinnacle-mesaba-colgan-isl-question.html)

Cruise 04-19-2013 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1394449)
They are some real stand up guys. I owe them a beer.

Yes you do! :cool:

ShyGuy 04-19-2013 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1394449)
They are some real stand up guys. I owe them a beer.

Arguing against 9E's class date of hire (versus sim date) AFTER hearings closed on April 15. Yeah, sounds really stand up don't they.

ShyGuy 04-19-2013 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1394445)
From what I remember it wasn't a one way fence. Colgan needed to have 193 Captain slots but if we got more Q's then those slots would have been opened to ANYONE. Remember at the time of the talks, the Q was the next greatest thing since sliced bread for PCL Corp.

More Qs? There were never any more Qs planned. Especially not after Colgan planted one in BUF.

PCLCREW 04-19-2013 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1394445)
From what I remember it wasn't a one way fence. Colgan needed to have 193 Captain slots but if we got more Q's then those slots would have been opened to ANYONE. Remember at the time of the talks, the Q was the next greatest thing since sliced bread for PCL Corp.

About the Qs... That came from PT and his flying circus and we can see how well that clown did with this airline :rolleyes:

80ktsClamp 04-19-2013 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1394519)
More Qs? There were never any more Qs planned. Especially not after Colgan planted one in BUF.

Parking the Q's wasn't planned either.

It was a merger, and stuff happens.

Seggy 04-19-2013 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1394519)
More Qs? There were never any more Qs planned. Especially not after Colgan planted one in BUF.

Actually it was planned to about 70 Q's.

We also took delivery of Q's (15 or 17) after BUF.

Saabs 04-19-2013 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1394519)
More Qs? There were never any more Qs planned. Especially not after Colgan planted one in BUF.

The next batch of q's was from an RFP after BUF. If you don't believe me ask te expressjet guys that couldn't believe you could crash a plane and get more continental flying. They were ****ed.

ShyGuy 04-19-2013 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1394547)
Actually it was planned to about 70 Q's.

We also took delivery of Q's (15 or 17) after BUF.

Let me rephrase. There was no plan for Colgan to get any more Qs after the BUF crash, beyond the initial order, once the merger process started. We simply didn't have the people to do it and the money loss had already started.

Jamers 04-19-2013 04:05 PM

Q's?......

kija594 04-19-2013 06:40 PM

U do realize there are maybe 200-250 Colgan CAs that went over to the 9E side? Probably less than that when all is said and done.

ShyGuy 04-19-2013 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by kija594 (Post 1394713)
U do realize there are maybe 200-250 Colgan CAs that went over to the 9E side? Probably less than that when all is said and done.

Well how big was Colgan? 600 pilots? So that's basically all the Colgan pilots. Plus, the chatter back then from the 9L guys was "Oh, we're content on our planes, we don't want bigger jets." Yet, once the first vacancy came out, the majority of the new ATL -900 Captains were Colgan. Go figure.

kija594 04-19-2013 06:57 PM

It was 600 pilots when the company was at the largest size, but now I hardly know any 9L peeps that are still there. Most have left for other places myself included. All I'm saying is dont get your panties in a wad over a few guys that got displaced to bases they didn't want. Take a look at the Seniority list and count just how many guys are actually ca's from 9L and then subtract 20 more since they don't update it. I know I'm still showing on the list. It's not that many people in the grand scheme of things. I barely held RJ Ca when I was displaced as a late 07 hire and was going to be downgraded. There were 5 captains in my class of 30 going to the 9e side and about 15 others in that class were downgraded. There are maybe 7 guys still at 9E from that class

Pogey Bait 04-19-2013 07:35 PM

.................................

ShyGuy 04-19-2013 08:02 PM


I barely held RJ Ca when I was displaced as a late 07 hire and was going to be downgraded. There were 5 captains in my class of 30 going to the 9e side and about 15 others in that class were downgraded. There are maybe 7 guys still at 9E from that class
You do realize all 2007 hire original 9E Captains were downgraded, right? So excuse them that you were not able to barely hold on to the RJ capt seat as a late 07 hire.

kija594 04-19-2013 08:42 PM

They weren't ca's to begin with and the most senior 9L guys that will be able to hold ca when all the training is done is 2005 hires. The same as the 9E guys go figure. What I was getting at is that it sucked for everyone including the 9L guys. Many guys quit some even completely left the industry. Also you are getting fired up about what 100 so guys that are captains at the moment (temporary while everyone is in training who will be downgraded) at a company you don't even work for. It seems to me Bloch made a good choice because everyone was unhappy from all sides of the 3 way merger. So move on already. You want to have a regional like usairways ? look how great that fighting turned out.

Saabs 04-19-2013 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1394715)
Well how big was Colgan? 600 pilots? So that's basically all the Colgan pilots. Plus, the chatter back then from the 9L guys was "Oh, we're content on our planes, we don't want bigger jets." Yet, once the first vacancy came out, the majority of the new ATL -900 Captains were Colgan. Go figure.

Bust out a calculator and redo ur math.

ShyGuy 04-19-2013 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1394795)
Bust out a calculator and redo ur math.

I tried, I got an error. Reason code: Bloch


;)

The Juice 04-20-2013 12:55 AM

O'Doyle Rules!!!!!


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:37 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands