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BTpilot 05-04-2013 08:15 AM

jesus.. I make RAH jokes like everyone else, but after reading some of this stuff.. like damn, I feel bad for you guys..

I think about making that kind of money as an FO with a wife and couple kids.. my god.

I'm gonna make around 52-54k gross as a right seat CRJ guy at whiskey and I feel like I hardly make it some months... (single, no kids)

Karma 05-04-2013 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Emb170man (Post 1403056)
As for the 170..my normal screen name was taken on this forum, so I chose this. Do I like the 170....love it. It is a great plane to fly, a little over 5,000 hours in it and if I could find a job flying this plane and paying a decent wage, I'd be happy. Do I think that because I fly a 170 and the engines are under the wings, that I am somehow more special than a CRJ guy...nope.

You should try bidding to fly the 190. I know when I had a rough day, I'd realize things could always be worse after seeing a smaller 170 passing by and I'd just feel bad for those people. I don't even know how the guys do it in the little corporate 145 jet.

BTpilot 05-04-2013 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by karma (Post 1403309)
you should try bidding to fly the 190. I know when i had a rough day, i'd realize things could always be worse after seeing a smaller 170 passing by and i'd just feel bad for those people. I don't even know how the guys do it in the little corporate 145 jet.

lmao ;) :)

Ronaldo 05-04-2013 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by jeff122670 (Post 1402822)
LOL...touche

Actually because I dont believe it is as bad a people are making it out to be. Without data to back it all up, this is just opinion.

$36K is not good....and I know people on here are educated...so why would they stick with a bad situation (however, i dont know your other income sources)? Are you gambling?

Obviously flying is more important than money to you (as it is to me), so you are doing something that you love to do.......reference my previous post....and if you hate it so much, you can always quit.

(not trying to flame bait, but do you see my point? it is one way or the other....)

I do have a second job, that significantly offsets my RAH pay. In 2007 when I was hired we thought we'd have a CBA in a year or so after the amenable date. Without my second job I would have to quit and go back to my previous career within a month or two.

I believed the hype that BB and co were honest business leaders just trying to build a good solid company. I was mistaken, but now, with 6 years invested and upgrade probably some time in the next year I have to stay to get TPIC.

The problem I ran into was I always thought things would get better here. They have actually just gotten worse each year in all aspects. I was talking to an Airways guy a few months ago and I realized that many people have had the same problem for their entire career (40 years). The difference is, "suck" at a legacy (losing retirement for instance), and suck at a regional are very different. I can even say, that if the company acted in it's own best interest, I would be happier. At least then there would be predictability, in that the company would be operating to maximize profit. And yes, it is obvious even to an non business major, that the company does not operate in their best interests. Instead, they operate to minimize near-term cost and to avoid giving pilots any leeway.

Flying was/is fun, but not at this place. Not for this management team that will tell you to your face that they want you to leave the company but then ask why customer complaints have tripled or why no one will answer their phone on a day off. I know it happens at many companies in many industries, but our managers are simply immoral, ignorant and vindictive (with a few exceptions).

If you don't believe any of us, that's fine, you'll discover the truth eventually. If you PM me your email address we can communicate if you come on board. I'd bet a few beers that you don't make it out of training before you discover the truth about this place.

I should add that I'm in a unique situation in that I took about a 50K paycut to become an FO here, I wasn't a professional student or CFI for the decade before switching to flying. But when I add it up, I'm out $350,000 in earnings over the last 7 years, due to this switch. The difference between an RAH and a Skywest or Whiskey pilot over 6 years would offset that by easily 100K+. So if a pilot worked at a different regional but lived like an RAH pilot and saved their money, they would have a significant downpayment for a house, or investment. So take opinion out of it. Upgrade times, pay, work rules, corporate debt, and schedules are all objective measures, and this place is behind all the competitors.

JustaRampagent 06-29-2013 08:33 AM

July 29th CHQ class?
 
Anyone else in the CHQ July 29th class? How is training on the 145? Any recommendations for training? Should I expect LGA base out of Training? How many months to plan to be on reserve? Thanks

buddies8 06-30-2013 03:13 PM

the aa reservation system does not show any american connection flights on the cities served by CHQ after 1 Sept. 2013, what is up?

DSRoss996 06-30-2013 05:50 PM

Q staffing problem solved!!

showmethemoney 07-01-2013 02:32 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1437242)
the aa reservation system does not show any american connection flights on the cities served by CHQ after 1 Sept. 2013, what is up?

rebranded as american eagle, with the addition of republic, skywest and express jet? phasing out connection altogether?

buddies8 07-01-2013 07:12 AM

nope aint so. even as rebranding as american eagle it still has to say who is operating the flight. since they are not american eagle airlines then it must say in reservations operated by ***** as american eagle, but it does not, just has some eagle flights and the rest of the cities are routed through phl and clt.

snippercr 07-01-2013 07:17 AM

They are probably just not loaded into the reservation system due to what ever changes they are planning. I am sure they did not just lob CHQ only destinations like HPN, TOL and SPI (From ORD) entirely without any sort of press release.

SpeedyVagabond 07-01-2013 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by jeff122670 (Post 1402047)
good point...however, he could try this place since he appears so disatisfied at his present job: :)

Careers :: McDonalds.com

lmao!

I wish some of them would go there. They would quickly realize that, contrary to their claims otherwise, fast food employees really don't make more than regional F.O.s. Furthermore, a little good ol' fashioned hard work would help them to be more appreciative of what they have.

CptGSXR 07-01-2013 04:14 PM

I would like to be kept up on any rumors for the 145 fleet. Cant imagine they wont eventually phase them out. And then what will CHQ fly? The new 175s? Or maybe the Q?

Anyways, back on topic, I would REALLY like to see what the bases are in order of seniority. I have talked to several people and gotten a different answer each time. Should have an interview in Aug, and I'd like to know if I can hold SDF out of training or how long till I can hold it. Don't care about RSV length since I live there, but I'm sure others would like to know how long to hold a line at each base.

jeff122670 07-02-2013 04:36 PM

Hoping for an SDF base as well! Best of luck on your interview!

thump 07-02-2013 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by CptGSXR (Post 1437770)
Cant imagine they wont eventually phase them out. And then what will CHQ fly? The new 175s? Or maybe the Q?

The certificate isn't going away anytime soon, but it will likely shrink over the coming years until it is shut down some day. Likely when the E145s are retired.

There is definitely no reason to introduce new types to the CHQ certificate when we have other certs that operate those types. Shuttle and Republic's certificates being merged is more likely than CHQ getting new types. Multiple certificates only increases the company's training costs when people upgrade or get displaced. It was necessary at one point in time, but it is the company's intent to reduce the number of certificates.

Mabee201 07-02-2013 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by CptGSXR (Post 1437770)
Anyways, back on topic, I would REALLY like to see what the bases are in order of seniority. I have talked to several people and gotten a different answer each time. Should have an interview in Aug, and I'd like to know if I can hold SDF out of training or how long till I can hold it. Don't care about RSV length since I live there, but I'm sure others would like to know how long to hold a line at each base.

Here are the hire dates of the most junior FO at each CHQ base, per the July coversheets. Although LGA and SDF are the most senior bases purely by hire date, there really isn't much of a spread across the entire system. With all the growth and movement currently taking place, I'd imagine it wouldn't be long (couple months) before you could hold SDF.

CLE: 5/13/13
CMH: 4/29/13
IND: 3/11/13
LGA: 2/11/13
ORD: 5/13/13
SDF: 2/11/13

CptGSXR 07-02-2013 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Mabee201 (Post 1438385)
Here are the hire dates of the most junior FO at each CHQ base, per the July coversheets. Although LGA and SDF are the most senior bases purely by hire date, there really isn't much of a spread across the entire system. With all the growth and movement currently taking place, I'd imagine it wouldn't be long (couple months) before you could hold SDF.

CLE: 5/13/13
CMH: 4/29/13
IND: 3/11/13
LGA: 2/11/13
ORD: 5/13/13
SDF: 2/11/13


TYVM, I'll assume couple months of training/IOE before your on the line, then couple months till you can hold any base.

JustaRampagent 07-12-2013 08:55 AM

chq training?
 
Any advice on what to study before heading to training? Memory items, flows, systems...


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