AQP for new hire training?
 

Searched but couldn't find a whole lot. Which regionals are doing AQP for new hire training? Most of the stuff I found was regarding recurrent only.

Piedmont does

Skywest does

Compass does

TSA is working on it, but does not yet.

Eagle will have it up and running in a few months, with trials starting shortly.

FAA wants everybody to do it, for everything. It's not going to be optional for long.

Thanks for the replies, anybody know if Mesa, AWAC, ExpressJet or RAH have it up and running?

I thought it was only for recurrent with initial being further down the road(ala Cat II and AQP)

AWAC does.

ASA/ExpressJet has AQP

With the new regs, is AQP easier for a low time/high time pilot when earning their ATP/Type rating?? I've heard some talk about the whole processes and was curious about it, compared to the traditional type ride. Thank you:D:D

Mesa has had it 4 or so years now. Good program.

I've done two 121 initial training events on two different airplanes (same carrier). One was the traditional checkride, the other AQP. I wouldn't necessarily say AQP is easier, but you do learn quite a bit more about the airplane and what to expect from regular line operations. It's definitely a big improvement.

For initial training? I don't think that's been implemented yet.

For checkrides, especially an ATP part 121 checkride AQP is probably better. It's divided into two sim sessions, an MV (maneuver validation) and a LOFT (Line oriented flight training.)

The MV is a train to proficiency session. You are typically allowed three unsat maneuvers provided you get them right on the repeats. And the evaluator can train you and teach you how to do them correctly. In the MV you do various approaches, single engine work, V1 cuts, stalls, steep turns etc. Now the nice thing about the MV is if you bust, it's not a PINK slip checkride bust. Because under AQP the actual checkride is really the LOFT. So if you bust the MV you won't get signed off for your LOFT until you've had extra sim time.

The LOFT is a simulated real-time gate to gate flight where you will be expected to perform your duties as you would in a real flight. So preflight, paperwork, flight release, W & B all have to be done correctly. You will probably get a small and easy to manage malfunction, a hold, and a missed approach. But again it's all real-time, no slewing and the evaluator does not speak. In some ways the LOFT is much easier than the MV but in others it's tougher because of no do-overs.

The traditional checkride is basically a loft will no allowances for incorrect maneuvers. It is not train to proficiency for the ATP checkride, only for an SIC checkride for candidates who already possess the ATP is it TTP. So, as with the MV it must be flown to ATP standards and you really don't have much breathing room for messed up maneuvers.

Ground school under AQP is fast paced and intensely challenging. You have much less class time to learn systems and limitations, procedures and flows. And AQP ground school typically gives closed book exams for both systems and limitations though the programs vary from carrier to carrier.

For RAH, they are working on it and depends on the certificate. For S5 and YX, its up and running for pilots already on the line (YX just got approval and once pilots complete their recurrent they are automatically enrolled). RP doesn't have it yet as far as I know. They are working on it for new hires right now.

AQP for new hire training?
 

AWAC has AQP for recurrent only. Initial for FOs and upgrade are still traditional PCs

AQP is only for recurrent at ExpressJet. Initial is old style PC/LOFT.

Anyone have any info to share about AQP at Compass? I have an upcoming class date but, alas, no 121 time and have been out of the game for awhile. Wondering how I can focus my preparation prior to and during new-hire training to make it as smooth and effective as possible. I have heard Compass training is geared for prior 121-types.
All my experience is single-pilot 135, so I will have much to take in and would love any insight as to how best to navigate it. Thanks all....

Easiest thing I've ever done......seriously....


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Were you prior 121?

Compass does a great job with their AQP. It does require a lot more effort though if you aren't prior 121. Your best bet is to try to pair up with a prior 121 guy who can help you with the basics. Having said that, their pass rate is like 98-99% for new hires with or without 121. Just come to ground school with memory items and limitations memorized. Spend a good amount of time with the Systems portion of CBTs and you'll be way ahead of the game. Might not hurt to look at flows and profiles as well just to get a feel for them.

Yup they have AQP for initial up and running

Nope.


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All training, initial, upgrade and recurrent is now AQP. It's quite a curriculum.

Thanks for the tips!

My upgrade class at XJT wasn't AQP... maybe we were the last to do it the old way. Newhires were doing AQP though, at least while I was in the school house Feb-Mar.

Don't quote me but SKW 175 is not AQP yet.

Just finished initial training at CPZ with no prior 121. Don't take it lightly, but don't stress out about it either. It was way easier than I expected, and I felt well prepared for each validation. Good luck!

I just had AQP last month. JP was our IP. He stated new hires are now going through AQP.

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Pdt is "officially" a AQP but I've heard it is run like a pc course and It's a ****ty training department.

You always believe what you "hear?" If you have a good attitude and apply yourself, the training and recurrent is a non-issue. The stats speak for themselves...

Okay, if you fail a written at PDT what happens? Do they "train you to proficiency" is it 2 and out? Please tell me...

Envoy's 175 program is supposed to be AQP fOr initial.

You are given remediation and given a second test. People who have failed a second time have been offered a chance to begin the initial program anew. Very few have had trouble passing the writtens. In CQ, they are open reference so you really have no excuses. I believe you are confusing the concept of TTP and spoon-feeding.

Horizon does

Spoon feeding? Or self study? Because Ive heard that's what u get (the later) with the pdt training program... Begin initial? What is YOUR source?

Man you worry too much for someone not even there! ;)

Don't most training programs have aspects of self-study? If you can't study on your own, you are pretty much behind the 8-ball in this business anyway. I still study...a lot...nearly 3 years in.