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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1415857)

Express Jet in a heartbeat. Why?
1.No fleet plan.
2.Parking planes (shrink).
3.More concessions soon.

Expressjet, hmm...
1. No clarity on how many airplanes they will keep flying for Delta and United as these mainlines send 300+ airframes packing
2. EXJ will be parking airplanes this fall I believe
3. They are being asked for concessions on their integrated contract.

What's your point?

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Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 1415865)

Why would AMR simply not sell off Eagle to Express Jet or Skywest and have them absorb operations? Express Jet stated at our interview that they were a combined company (operating separately) with Skywest and that together they represented a national carrier.

SkyWest Inc (which is SkyWest) owns ExpressJet. I would choose Express for that reason alone. SkyWest has never lost money, never furloughed and just inked a deal to fly 175s for United. Will Express see any 175s in this order? In short, no. However, the option is there... If you can wait until the fall we (SkyWest) should resume hiring. If not, hands down I'd go to Express.

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Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1415953)

So with so many ejets "coming" to property what will happen to the 400 airframes SKW inc operates for United? Will United place most airframes in a single holding company moving forward? How will SKW cost be affected with the 2nd most senior pilot group and highest wages? Also, SKW mentioned that they bid on aggressive cost, what does that mean to you guys. They will need your help, what does that mean.

Top off your Koop aid drink and let me know.

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Originally Posted by What (Post 1415971)

We'll be just fine. There's very very smart people down in St George. With the reduction of the 50seat market, I'd still advocate SkyWest as an employer. Once the hiring picks up at mainline, I'm sure SkyWest reduction in 50seat flying won't hurt that much due to attrition alone along with MRJs and 175s. If anything, I see Inc parking a lot of express's 50 seaters. As for costs, I'm sure you're aware that costs just don't include pay, right?

Also, I believe Express has far more senior cats compared to OO..

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Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 1415865)

Ok fellas...this is the kind of discussions I was looking for. Regardless of what some of my "contacts" have said, I am equally suspicious as it seems to me no one truly knows until everyone knows what happens in the airlines. A lot of conjecture and guessing but some of the points brought out on this thread are what I was looking for.

Honestly, since you DON'T plan on being at the regional level very long, and frankly I don't think you will, you really DON'T have to worry about ANY of this crap.

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Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 1415865)

For example...If I were an Eagle Pilot, why would I not be concerned that Express Jet is beginning to fly Eagle Lines out of DFW. Some other regional, forgive me I don't recall the name, is flying lines for Eagle out of Detroit or somewhere like that. Why would I not, if I were an Eagle flyer, be concerned that some other company with some other companies pilots were flying jets with our passengers out of our domicile?

No offense, and again, you won't be at the regionals very long so don't concern yourself with it. But they're not "our passengers", as in the regional's passengers. They are the mainline's passengers/customers, or another mainline's that were rebooked on AMR Corp. AMR Corp then decides which part of the holdings company flies the particular route. Either American Airlines, American Eagle, or and American Connection carrier. This garbage happens way, way above the pay grade of even the highest paid pilot.

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Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 1415865)

It seems to me, that pre bankruptcy, AMR was attempting to sell off Eagle, although I may be inaccurate on that, but I seem to recall that.

That is true, AMR Corp was looking to divest/spin off the AE side. Nobody was interested. Keep in mind, before the BK was the recession. The reverend had money, but he was going a different direction with "brand" flying. Hence the MidWest Express debacle and buying Frontier. Jerry probably wasn't interested because AA's economic situation at the time may have caused him doubts. Plus he was pretty busy with ExpressJet acquisition.

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Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 1415865)

Why would AMR simply not sell off Eagle to Express Jet or Skywest and have them absorb operations?

Ask Jerry. If he could, he would. If he can, he will. But now he's saddled with inheriting even MORE 50 seat airframes, etc etc etc.....See the above comment I made. Plus he NOW has to deal with possibly a FOUR WAY pilot list integration and a longer, more drawn out JCBA/SLI process. Holy cow would that be a fecal cinema of epic proportions :eek:

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Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 1415865)

Express Jet stated at our interview that they were a combined company (operating separately) with Skywest and that together they represented a national carrier as large as Southwest. Does that give them the political clout and funding to absorb Eagle?

Regionals don't really have political clout. They're simply outsourced/contracted vendors. Today's favorite could become tomorrow's COMAIR. Not likely with SkyWest, but just sayin'....

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Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 1415865)

While that may not put 3000 pilots on the street, it would have the effect of closing down Eagle as it exists currently. Like I mentioned, I'm totally a novice at this, I'm simply trying to understand the business.

Again, there is SOOOOOOO much crap going when it comes to the regional shuffle game it will make your head hurt. We saw it during the post 9/11 BK era, as well as the merge/consolidation that's going on right now.

Keep in mind this saying, "Simple solutions are seldom either". Also, in the airlines, what makes sense to the everyday knuckle dragging line pilot ISN'T how the suits run things. It'll probably remind you of your time in the military on occasion. The way the higher ups make decisions ISN'T always the way it would make sense to do things.

Mongo only pawn in game of life - YouTube

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Originally Posted by What (Post 1415923)

Im betting Eagle will park planes faster than anticipated due to staffing. Heck,cancellations are at full steam this weekend due to no crews. Add the flows leaving and the perfect storm will hit.

So stop painting the perfect picture for Eagle because it aint.
.....and Im an Eagle pilot myself.

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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1416056)

Good luck man. Hope you can jump ship soon.

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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 1416059)

Good luck man. Hope you can jump ship soon.

No worries here, Ill sink it till the lights go out.

Thanks anyways.

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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1416056)

I am not painting a rosy picture here, I just use the same brush for all the regionals. Eagle is not the only place getting shafted and won't be the last.

skywest is not immune to anything, only if the pilots agree to take pay cuts will they maintain anything they fly for now. eagle is screwed due to pilot and union leadership mentality, lack of any.

the rest just fall in place.