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I thought it was a well written article. Makes me wish we had days like that and crew meals on the maddog.:)
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I have yet to read any flying articles or books about the career that didn't sound (to me) boring and read like "Bio of a Greyhound Bus Driver" type stuff. The only exception is Fate is the Hunter.
stories about your cockpit partners, gate issues, in flight meals ? really ? Might as well title the book "Adventures at the Bus Terminal" |
Originally Posted by satpak77
(Post 1420411)
I have yet to read any flying articles or books about the career that didn't sound (to me) boring and read like "Bio of a Greyhound Bus Driver" type stuff. The only exception is Fate is the Hunter.
stories about your cockpit partners, gate issues, in flight meals ? really ? Might as well title the book "Adventures at the Bus Terminal" |
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 1420227)
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Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky
(Post 1420317)
The Canadian government forced AC pilots to accept the spin off into an LCC. The ERJ's are no longer flown by "mainline" there.
190's still on property. AC costs cant justify flying anything under about 100 seats. |
Originally Posted by avi8tor220
(Post 1420390)
It's a shame this guy stopped writing. If anybody knows this guy tell him to start back up. His musings are hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 1420467)
He wrote a book: Four Day Follies.. funniest book I have read.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1420470)
Who is this? Did this guy write for Flying?
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1420417)
You have to take into account the audience he's writing to. I assume its not written for current airline guys but for the weekend warrior private pilot type. The majority of Flying readers probably are curious about that kind of stuff.
When the readers find out how much the job pays and the working conditions they slap themselves and say its only a bad dream! |
Originally Posted by bozobigtop
(Post 1420684)
When the readers find out how much the job pays and the working conditions they slap themselves and say its only a bad dream!
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He's barely 30 and will be at Delta next year with the Compass flow and enjoy a 30+ yr career at Delta. Doesn't sound like he has it bad, compared to Rob his FO furloughed twice in 6 months.
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Personally, I liked the article. I've been in this industry as a line pilot for 22 year, so I'm not some guy who has no clue about the state of our industry or how we got here. I'm a guy who's lived it. J-31's through CRJ-700's with crew meals. Again, with that said, he did an eloquent job of describing and reflecting upon a portion of the day in the life of a "regional" pilot.
As for his statement about the AP flying better than we can? I'm a guy who flies all takeoffs up to maybe 15,000 feet and 320 KIAS and pointed where we're going. I hand fly most, if not all approaches - day, night, good weather, and bad. I pride myself on my hand flying skills (Damn it, I BETTER know how to fly an airplane well), but c'mon! I'm the first to admit that any modern AP can embarrass my own hand flying skills. Any of you out there who say otherwise are simply kidding yourselves. The only other comment I'll make is that I get a kick out of the irony of ANY regional pilot calling out those who may be bringing down the profession with our never ending race to the bottom. If that is the case, look in the mirror. If YOU are a regional pilot, every mainline pilot can look at you and call you a hypocrit. |
Originally Posted by vilcas
(Post 1420046)
Airbus already works hard to keep the pilot out of the loop. Soon they won't even need the warm body.
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice:1420701
Personally, I liked the article. I've been in this industry as a line pilot for 22 year, so I'm not some guy who has no clue about the state of our industry or how we got here. I'm a guy who's lived it. J-31's through CRJ-700's with crew meals. Again, with that said, he did an eloquent job of describing and reflecting upon a portion of the day in the life of a "regional" pilot.
As for his statement about the AP flying better than we can? I'm a guy who flies all takeoffs up to maybe 15,000 feet and 320 KIAS and pointed where we're going. I hand fly most, if not all approaches - day, night, good weather, and bad. I pride myself on my hand flying skills (Damn it, I BETTER know how to fly an airplane well), but c'mon! I'm the first to admit that any modern AP can embarrass my own hand flying skills. Any of you out there who say otherwise are simply kidding yourselves. The only other comment I'll make is that I get a kick out of the irony of ANY regional pilot calling out those who may be bringing down the profession with our never ending race to the bottom. If that is the case, look in the mirror. If YOU are a regional pilot, every mainline pilot can look at you and call you a hypocrit. Please good sir, enlighten all of us how a younger inexperienced pilot is supposed to gain experience to someday qualify at a major? Don't you think mainline pilots are guilty of helping to create the current system of outsourced flying? How about holding the line and accepting pay raises for more 76 seat jets.... yeah damn those regional pukes for accepting those jobs... it's 100% their fault. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1420696)
He's barely 30 and will be at Delta next year with the Compass flow and enjoy a 30+ yr career at Delta. Doesn't sound like he has it bad, compared to Rob his FO furloughed twice in 6 months.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1420745)
U jelly bro?
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Originally Posted by satpak77
(Post 1420749)
what does that mean ?
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Originally Posted by satpak77
(Post 1420815)
Interesting. Never heard of that expression. Must be a Kim Kardashian thing.
Want us to get off your lawn? :) |
;):D...........
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
(Post 1420701)
As for his statement about the AP flying better than we can? I'm a guy who flies all takeoffs up to maybe 15,000 feet and 320 KIAS and pointed where we're going. I hand fly most, if not all approaches - day, night, good weather, and bad. I pride myself on my hand flying skills (Damn it, I BETTER know how to fly an airplane well), but c'mon! I'm the first to admit that any modern AP can embarrass my own hand flying skills. Any of you out there who say otherwise are simply kidding yourselves. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1420696)
He's barely 30 and will be at Delta next year with the Compass flow and enjoy a 30+ yr career at Delta. Doesn't sound like he has it bad, compared to Rob his FO furloughed twice in 6 months.
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BTW, I thought that the article was truthful and showed how this industry has cheapend itself so that a few can make a few more thousand dollars.
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
(Post 1420701)
As for his statement about the AP flying better than we can? I'm a guy who flies all takeoffs up to maybe 15,000 feet and 320 KIAS and pointed where we're going. I hand fly most, if not all approaches - day, night, good weather, and bad. I pride myself on my hand flying skills (Damn it, I BETTER know how to fly an airplane well), but c'mon! I'm the first to admit that any modern AP can embarrass my own hand flying skills. Any of you out there who say otherwise are simply kidding yourselves. My skillz have dissipated since then, but I'm still definitely smoother than George (now Gaston). The AP should be utilized as a workload reliever, not a crutch for lack of ability to accurately control the airplane. |
Originally Posted by DashTrash
(Post 1420846)
That's right he and 300+ Compass Pilots have flow rights to Delta. But I know a little about his career. He came from a regional where he flew turboprops where he flew 5-7 leg days and then made a VERY risky career move by switching to an airline that is a flow down airline, not necessarily a flow up airline. All of us there have the risk of being completely flushed and on the street if DAL were to furlough. I know that the risk seems minimal but it is there.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1420696)
He's barely 30 and will be at Delta next year with the Compass flow and enjoy a 30+ yr career at Delta. Doesn't sound like he has it bad, compared to Rob his FO furloughed twice in 6 months.
The article sucks because I have flow rights to a major that most regional pilots don't have, and *may* flow next year after 6 yrs at this company and 10 years at the regionals and several years of instructing and single-pilot freight-dogging before that, and this is apparently far better than all the other regional guys have it, and I wasn't ever furloughed, and it's not enough that I talked about my FO for the trip that was furloughed twice, or all the other guys at my airline that have been furloughed, or all the turmoil going on in the industry. The important thing is that I personally haven't been furloughed, and may go to a major within 12 months, and despite disliking many aspects of the industry actually like my job, and don't mind honestly telling people so, and therefore the article was misleading and is luring a bunch of airline pilot wannabe kiddies down the primrose path... Is that about it? :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1420853)
When I was on the CRJ, I hand flew the airplane a lot- much of the time without the FD. I could out fly the autopilot on smoothness and accuracy all day and every day. The sim was even easier... steep turns with less than 10 foot altitude deviation? No problem.
My skillz have dissipated since then, but I'm still definitely smoother than George (now Gaston). The AP should be utilized as a workload reliever, not a crutch for lack of ability to accurately control the airplane. The funny thing is, the very next comment in the article was that the automation doesn't do a very good job of keeping the pilots engaged, and talking about one of my strategies to maintain situational/positional awareness considering that fact. But based on one half-sentence out of several paragraphs, ShyGuy's takeaway is that I'm dogging regional pilots' handflying skills. |
JungleBus, come on, that's not what I meant. It's the construction of the article itself. On one hand you are talking about the AP doing a better job than you can, and how it's an artistic license etc. But you have to realize even certain Private pilots think we are nothing but prima donnas who just sit there like monkeys. Your comment just reinforces that idea for them. Then you turn around and say you have to keep yourself entertained in flight by doing something, and not reading the FOM. Well maybe you can't be honest because your name is attached to the article. But lets be honest. At some point on a 4-day trip, with long flights (3+ hrs), who doesn't: take out a book, or the newspaper, or an IPad, or a laptop, or something designed to pass time on long flights? I think you'd be lying to yourself if you said this doesn't happen. I'd venture to say this happens a majority of the time in some way/shape/form. I guess an Atlas passes time, so maybe you do pass on those things but at some point on a 3+ hr flight, some "non-flight" material is going to come out. The NWA SAN-MSP flight reference could have done without. I still think this article would have done better with a true 'day in the life' where you describe a typical day, duties, etc. After all, most private pilots don't know those minute details and would find it interesting (and not boring as you imagined, I know when I was a PPL I loved reading pilot trip reports/day in the life stuff). Minus the AP comments and "lack" of reading material comments, this article would suffice too.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1420745)
U jelly bro?
To answer the question posed to me by those 8 year old hacker cheaters in Modern Warfare 2 who have radar and aim assist, who kill me, and I verbally chew them out.......... "yeah, I'm mad bro!" :D Of course revenge is sweet. Playing "Search & Destroy" where there is no respawning. You know you don't stand a chance with them having radar hack on and aim assist. Not only do they know where you are, they are already shooting as you round the corner and aim assist assures you will die. So I do what I do best: pack dual Rangers (Akimbo) and choose Last Stand perk. I take a best guess as to which corner they'll round, and as I round the corner, I blast both barrels at once, taking the hacker out, but his aim-assist bullets hit me and send me down to last stand. Next, in last stand with the M9 pistol, I take out his sidekick/partner hacker with a few shots and the second hacker goes down. Then I hear a pre-pubescent scream of NNNNOOOOOO and the next thing I get is "Notice: PLAYER KICKED" as the hackers kick me off their server for handing their asses to them. Ah, success.................... Mission Accomplished |
Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1420858)
I'm not going to repost the article due to copyright issues, but the portion where I said "the autopilot and autothrottles keep the plane right on course, flying more smoothly than I am able" was primarily talking about the E175's advanced automation. It was really a comment on the airplane, not on my skills or regional pilot skills in general. It is a FAR smoother autopilot than the Q400s (which granted isn't saying much), and from what I've observed of various Boeing and Airbus products from the jumpseat, I'd say it's smoother than most of those airplanes' autopilots.
The funny thing is, the very next comment in the article was that the automation doesn't do a very good job of keeping the pilots engaged, and talking about one of my strategies to maintain situational/positional awareness considering that fact. But based on one half-sentence out of several paragraphs, ShyGuy's takeaway is that I'm dogging regional pilots' handflying skills. |
Originally Posted by DashTrash
(Post 1420846)
That's right he and 300+ Compass Pilots have flow rights to Delta. But I know a little about his career. He came from a regional where he flew turboprops where he flew 5-7 leg days and then made a VERY risky career move by switching to an airline that is a flow down airline, not necessarily a flow up airline. All of us there have the risk of being completely flushed and on the street if DAL were to furlough. I know that the risk seems minimal but it is there.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1420863)
JungleBus, come on, that's not what I meant. It's the construction of the article itself. On one hand you are talking about the AP doing a better job than you can, and how it's an artistic license etc. But you have to realize even certain Private pilots think we are nothing but prima donnas who just sit there like monkeys. Your comment just reinforces that idea for them. Then you turn around and say you have to keep yourself entertained in flight by doing something, and not reading the FOM. Well maybe you can't be honest because your name is attached to the article. But lets be honest. At some point on a 4-day trip, with long flights (3+ hrs), who doesn't: take out a book, or the newspaper, or an IPad, or a laptop, or something designed to pass time on long flights? I think you'd be lying to yourself if you said this doesn't happen. I'd venture to say this happens a majority of the time in some way/shape/form. I guess an Atlas passes time, so maybe you do pass on those things but at some point on a 3+ hr flight, some "non-flight" material is going to come out. The NWA SAN-MSP flight reference could have done without. I still think this article would have done better with a true 'day in the life' where you describe a typical day, duties, etc. After all, most private pilots don't know those minute details and would find it interesting (and not boring as you imagined, I know when I was a PPL I loved reading pilot trip reports/day in the life stuff). Minus the AP comments and "lack" of reading material comments, this article would suffice too.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1420865)
I had to look that up!
To answer the question posed to me by those 8 year old hacker cheaters in Modern Warfare 2 who have radar and aim assist, who kill me, and I verbally chew them out.......... "yeah, I'm mad bro!" :D Of course revenge is sweet. Playing "Search & Destroy" where there is no respawning. You know you don't stand a chance with them having radar hack on and aim assist. Not only do they know where you are, they are already shooting as you round the corner and aim assist assures you will die. So I do what I do best: pack dual Rangers (Akimbo) and choose Last Stand perk. I take a best guess as to which corner they'll round, and as I round the corner, I blast both barrels at once, taking the hacker out, but his aim-assist bullets hit me and send me down to last stand. Next, in last stand with the M9 pistol, I take out his sidekick/partner hacker with a few shots and the second hacker goes down. Then I hear a pre-pubescent scream of NNNNOOOOOO and the next thing I get is "Notice: PLAYER KICKED" as the hackers kick me off their server for handing their asses to them. Ah, success.................... Mission Accomplished Gonna go out on a limb here and guess - not married, no kids. ;) |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1420871)
I know you're a shart hot pilot. :) Don't have to justify it to me. Was just trying to answer to that guy's post.
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Look. So he wrote an article for a GA magazine (and probably got paid to do so). We can squabble all day over whether it was "technically accurate" or how it portrays regional pilots. At least it was written by someone who's actually in this segment of the industry, not some "commercial pilot" who thinks they understand what we do. Kudos to you for trying, and maybe take this "constructive" criticism into account on your next article.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1420853)
My skillz have dissipated since then, but I'm still definitely smoother than George (now Gaston). The AP should be utilized as a workload reliever, not a crutch for lack of ability to accurately control the airplane.
I've been handed a CRJ700 with the AP deferred at LAX, and had to fly it to SLC into a snowstorm, and then fly another flight all the way to ORD, at night, and with a line of storms cutting across our path over the plains states. It was a tiring trip. I would've killed for an AP that day/night. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1420853)
My skillz have dissipated since then, but I'm still definitely smoother than George (now Gaston). The AP should be utilized as a workload reliever, not a crutch for lack of ability to accurately control the airplane.
Sacre Bleu!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by Jay5150
(Post 1420926)
Gonna go out on a limb here and guess - not married, no kids. ;)
Shy is married with a kid. |
Originally Posted by Jay5150
(Post 1420926)
Gonna go out on a limb here and guess - not married, no kids. ;)
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Originally Posted by avi8tor220
(Post 1420912)
Why don't you start a day in the life. Heck, I'd like to read a day in the life at JetU too. You can start there.
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