What I mean is Rj's to Mainline. I noticed a XRJ getting a clearance from PIT to IAH. That is a flight a 737 or 757 should be making not a 50 seat pencil. It's unfortunate that the customer base is not there to fill the seats but then they should be feeding CLE or ERW instead of offering a direct flight.

Bottom line the guys at majors are bitter because someone can do it cheaper and more effiecently. And that someone has accepted the position to do it. Sounding familiar?

That is what I meant by the way some guys at other regionals act toward Mesa pilots. It's nothing personal, its business.

so we are all scabs to the mainline guys - i feel bad for any pax that has to sit in the ridiculously small seat of an erj/crj for more than an hour!! let alone 3 hours!!

is dork catchy ? ......like a cold or flu? ......sure hope not......seems to be ALOT of it going around!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

I agree that the RJ is flown on too long of routes, but that is how the business is now. The mainlines are doing the same thing flying smaller airplanes on longer routes. Now 737s are doing transcons and up to 7 hour flights to South America. The mainlines are flying 757s to Europe. These are 7, 8, 9 hour flights. These use to all be on wide body aircraft, but now they can pay the pilots less and have them fly smaller aircraft on these routes. Also the routes that use to have to be on 3 and 4 engine jets are now on the 777, which pays the pilots less and only requires 2 pilots because of no FE.

This is how the industry is going for now it might go back the other way in the future. Hopefully for all of us it will or we might be flying RJs to Europe.

i saw an alaska air 737 at dca pick up a clnc to seattle! and dal uses 777 from mco to atl - probably cuz of bulk

I seldom travel on the airlines, but I don't think the seats are great on the mainline either. This is especially the case if you are stuck between two other people. Some of my most comfortable trips on an airliner have been on the connection flight, especially when I was lucky enough to have an airplane with a single seat "row" with nobody beside me.

Uhhhh....the seats are roughly the same size as the mainline seats. At XJT ours are NICER than mainline (all leather vs. dingy cloth) and NO MIDDLE SEATS. Ill take the A side on an ERJ over the middle seat in a 737 or 757 ANY day.

You must be rather small then?

6'0'' average build... Ill take a deadhead on XJT over CAL anyday.

Even if you are small, being stuck between 350lbs. of Bubba sprawled out reading the paper on one side and Mayor Mc Cheese on the other is no fun.

The single seat "A" side of a ERJ or the solitary bliss of a B1900 would be my choice.

the seats on a rj are most definetely smaller than mainline, and with the smaller cabin it feels like a clown car! I'll take the rare first class mainline ANYDAY:D

The E170's and the Airbus' are probrably my prefered. The Boings are tight. The 1900 I fly actually has wider seats than the 737.

Look, I don't care what any of you say. Sitting in the middle seat between Lardo the Loudmouth and Granny on the window who smells funny and has a 20 minute bladder is NOT my cup of tea.

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like some people are quick to judge others relative to their own exalted position. Hmmm, sound familiar?

thats true, the middle seat really sucks, esp the widebodies with 4-5 in the middle. airbus are nice tho...

HAHA! Yea, those middle seats... don't forget to add the person in front of you making sure the seat is fully reclined and DIRECTLY in your face:D

Like I said on the previous page........The solitary bliss of a B1900:D

Bliss? What happens when that granny with a bladder problem needs to use the bathroom? Yea, I've heard the stories...:D

Then let her go, a B1900 only has one seat per window, so you are not between 350lbs of bubba reading the paper all sprawled out on one side and mayor mc cheese on the other. Totally unbothered by yourself.

Like I said............SOLITARY BLISS!!!!!!

http://www.privatjet.at/images/gallery/beech1900_02.jpg

sorry, accidental double post--see previous page.

Uhhh... let her go where? I'm under the impression MOST B1900 don't have lavs... :confused:

Lets sum it up = coach sucks. Any plane, any airline.

Fake leather vs. cloth; who cares what the seat is made of. I was at Express nine years. When I did any DH on the RJ, I would always ask for any "A" seat. I don't do much CAL DH, but when I did in the past I would ask for an empty seat next to me. First class is hard to get domestic, but it does happen now and then. I'll take CAL flights for DH. Warm food, room to get up and walk, can put your bags in it, a movie, first class, etc. Deadheading crews get the aisle seats, not the middle seats. The seats to avoid are the ones that don't recline near emergency exits and the aisle seats near the LAV. You get the line of people waiting for the LAV bumping into you and the lovely smell of being near the LAV itself. Still coach is coach, but Express is all coach.

Yea, you are right, but the story you conveyed from freezing fly boy refered to being trapped between lardo the loudmouth and granny bladderfull on a multi-seat row.

I was refering to having nobody to sandwich me. That is what I like.

AHH, ok now I see... Yea the middle sux there's not doubt about that! Are 1900's loud inside? I've never jumped one...

I had only heard bad things--hard seats, loud vibrations.
I rode on a Commutair 1900 recently, and the seats were nice, made of "leather?", it was a comfortable sound level for a turbo-prop.

For John Q Public, (you know, the one who wants to know why he isn't riding on a 777 for a flight from Charlotte to Greensboro), it would be "horrible", but for me it was fine.

Remember, Im a King Air pilot. While the 200 I fly has wool carpet and sidewalls, LEATHER seats real wood trays, etc., I still have a bond to the 1900s design. (Granted, the 1900 flys WAY MORE cycles than my 200 does, so I forgive a few rattles.)

Usually when I DH on CAL I ask for a playboy playmate to be seated next to me in a bikini holding a plate of fruit.:rolleyes: You can ask all day long but when the plane is full and their turning away non-revs it aint gonna happen. Must be great for you to be over at CAL where you can look down on your XJT brothers and sisters from your big ol' 75 all day long...

I jumped one once when I was desperate. She didn't care for my advances:D I wasn't too upset, the Beech was ugly anyway.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Yes, it is great to be at CAL. Yes, it was great to fly the 737. Yes, it is great to fly the 757. No, I don't see much of Express in Europe. I do see some ERJ's over there, but in Europe my 757 is the small plane. Everyone else is flying bigger equipment. Just the other day at the stand (gate) I was inbetween two 747's; one -200 and one -400. If you are serious that I'm "looking down" at Express pilots in a bad way and not a literal one (my plane is higher than yours). Remember I have 2000 hours in the ATR and 5000 in the ERJ, so I'm not looking down at anyone in a bad way. :D

It's great at CAL, so if any of you are trying to get here, I wish you good luck.

Hey, you didn't ride AVP to CLE last Tues? Had a guy who rode on the plane and I got the impression he flew a King Air.

No, not me.

Thedude,

You know what, after reading through this thread I can kind of feel sorry for some of you guys. But, after reading your post, it is easy not too. You make it sound like the commuters are the toughest job out there. I never flew for a commuter/regional so I cannot say for certain how difficult your job is and I defintely have no idea what your life is like on the "other side".

However, before you start patting yourself on the back just keep in mind that there are several paths to an airline and yours is not necessarily the toughest. I never flew in the military, but I did fly several years on the non-sked side where I wore a pager 24/7 and had NO schedule other than a few days off each month. I flew multiple legs, rarely had a chance to eat while on duty, and was lucky if the pager went off shortly after I woke up instead of shortly before bed. I was only looked down upon a couple of times, and it was by guys who were flying the RJ.

I agree with Lab Rat in the big picture. There seems to be alot of pilots out there expecting a 1st class ride to work. They don't owe you a darn thing although it would be nice to receive it. Expecting 1st class service is pretentious. Getting it is nice. Understand the difference and be a little more humble.

Just had a United guy jumpseat on us this. Not only did he acknowledge us, he was grateful for the lift. Most guys that we have given a lift were neither.

I think maybe you missed the jist of my post. I have first have experience with a couple of AA guys that were hired in the early 80's and have never flown anything larger than a CE-310 when hired on to the panel of the 727. They dont understand how the other half lives and how rough it can really be. The same exist with guys that went from the military staright to the majors, I know this also because I currently work with a few of those guys that are either furloughed or took the early out. They were/are in for a very large shock.

I could tell you tales of those kinda guys getting on my airplane to jumpseat and I had no clue they were on my airplane. If I was lucky they might pat me on the back as they walked down the ailse. Do you think that would fly if i did the same at their airline? I highly doubt it. Hell, I even had one ask me if we had enough gas to make it...WTF? No, I am taking just enough to crash short of the field.

I never had the opportunity to fly in the military either but I have done the commuter thing back when they were still 135, 135 freight, 135 on-demand charter (wearing the pager thing), corperate, 121 supplemental, and now ACMI on the 747. I think I might have more of clue than you think.

From the sounds of it you are confusing tough flying with a tough lifestyle. Yes, living on a pager is rough. I have done it too. But flying 8 legs + a day for 3-5 days a week, month in month out, get rough and wears you out. Ever shot 8 approaches in one day? I have on multipule occasions and it varied from heavily trafficed hubs to podunk airports all in one day. So, I do consider flying at the commuters (at least when they were all turboprops) rougher than 135 on demand from a flying aspect.

If any RJ guys look down on you, they are the ones with problem. I would be willing to bet its because they suffer from SJS and never really had to work to get were they are. Back when I was trying to get on at the commuters the min were fairly high as oppsed to today. Back then one need 2000TT and 135 time to even be looked at and today you need a commerical ticket and a pulse.

Being that I commute coast to coast monthly, I keep the j/s rather warm. I can usually size up a guy just by the way they handle a jumpseater.

man who dug this old post up,, this was made before i was born!

Since this thread got dug up already...

We have ear plugs for our passengers, goes a long way towards making it less "horrible." I keep a supply on me as well so I can give them to passengers who ask for them when we are at bush airports.

Keep in mind that you can be in a center seat on a 1900 if you get in row 9. We try to avoid putting 19 people on our aircraft so people don't have to sit three across in the back. If you don't mind not having a window, 1A is one of the best seats with a lot of legroom. 9B is good if there isn't anyone else in row 9, but only if you don't mind not being able to recline.

Please don't let her go... it makes a mess... yes it's something we encounter, although it's not just bladders...

SAAB, I for one have been treated with nothing but respect and decency by 99.9% of the CAL pilots I've come across. True, there will always be the minority of guys that will give you attitude, but we at XJT have got our share of A**holes too. From your posts I've read I'll bet you come across in a certain way since so many of them are giving you "attitude".

Holy crap! I just noticed there's another "The Dude" on here.

like I said only a few have been di*ks. Its funny most of the arrogant rj guys actually do fly here at express I wanna smack some of them