Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1436032)

Scott, my point was the shortage if there is going to be one is not here yet based on my experience. That's all. It may come at some point, probably will, but my practical experience after applying to all of, and interviewing at many regional airlines during the last few months tells a clear story that talk be damned, no regional is very serious about staffing shortages because they do not have them. That notion simply does not square with their actual hiring behavior. If there were a real shortage, or strong evidence of one, I would simply admit as much. I am not trying to salvage my own ego, I am in fact about to leave pro flying for other pastures because I can't find a job here. What's more, I think it is a disservice to other entry-level pilots to spread these ideas of a shortage when there is none. I have a decent although admittedly less than impressive resume, and yet I can't get an airline job. Similar for many others I know.

Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1436032)

Scott, my point was the shortage if there is going to be one is not here yet based on my experience. That's all. It may come at some point, probably will, but my practical experience after applying to all of, and interviewing at many regional airlines during the last few months tells a clear story that talk be damned, no regional is very serious about staffing shortages because they do not have them. That notion simply does not square with their actual hiring behavior. If there were a real shortage, or strong evidence of one, I would simply admit as much. I am not trying to salvage my own ego, I am in fact about to leave pro flying for other pastures because I can't find a job here. What's more, I think it is a disservice to other entry-level pilots to spread these ideas of a shortage when there is none. I have a decent although admittedly less than impressive resume, and yet I can't get an airline job. Similar for many others I know.

Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1436106)

Gotta love the feeling of entitlement seen by kids these days. Because >I< can't get a job, it must mean the entire system is broken. It's not me that is not hire-able, it's the broken system. I deserve the job.

Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1436106)

Gotta love the feeling of entitlement seen by kids these days. Because >I< can't get a job, it must mean the entire system is broken. It's not me that is not hire-able, it's the broken system. I deserve the job.

Originally Posted by coryk (Post 1436072)

I just don't understand how you can get a job? I know people getting hired everywhere left and right. Maybe it's a sign to look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1436115)

Everyone I know has gotten hired at every interview (RAH, Skywest, XJT, PSA, Compass, AWAC) in the last year, this stuff isn't hard people. Like the saying goes if called they want you, don't talk yourself out of the job. Cub seems to not know when to stop talking.

Originally Posted by scottm (Post 1436028)

I can show you guys hundreds of articles on this I've accumulated, but lets look at this from the World Aviation Training Conference & Tradeshow (WATS) a few days ago (some excerpts):

"the final session of the day looked at the issue of US regional airline pilot supply and demand, and was led by the Regional Airline Associations (RAA) Training Committee. According to Airlines for America, with some 27,000 pilots to retire between now and 2025, the community will need about 44,000 pilots. Complicating matters is pending congressional legislation for new hire F/Os, including 1,500 hours and an ATP. "

"Front and center was a pilot labor forecast research project by the University of North Dakota (UND). A mere 53% of instructors surveyed will choose the career full time, and 32 percent are re-thinking their plans due to the 1,500 hour rule. ExpressJet stated that the pilot shortage is already here - airline job fair attendance is down by 50%, their pool of applicants is nil, and only some 30% of applicants to the airline are actually qualified for a job offer.

Many of the airlines in attendance echoed the shortage theme. American Eagle had a pool of 500 applicants but today there are less than 100 in that pool. Few saw any relief in the immediate future, but all agreed that the industry needed to do a better job of marketing the career and to be Ambassadors of Aviation.

GoJet Airlines challenged delegates to consider going from the traditional Continuing Qualification (CQ) three day classroom and two days in the simulator, to just two in the simulator and incorporating on-line learning. These efficiencies were seen as helping to mitigate the personnel shortages. ExpressJet continued the theme with its discussion of AQP adoption and the lessons-learned. "

"The FAA opined that the new Flight Duty and Rest rule will increase safety but also increase demand for qualified flight crew members, which some see as further exacerbating the pilot shortage."

Extracting and Enhancing Human Performance | Halldale)

Call it what you want, but the regional airlines and the FAA are calling it a pilot shortage. Patience young grasshopper, your time is coming.

Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1436128)

Well this is a message board and respectful, serious talk is what they are for. If you disagree with me, then speak freely. But what you are saying is a bit doubtful to me as far as Skywest is concerned, because they just started after a hiring freeze & I wonder if you were in one of those groups. RAH called me for an interview and then sent myself and several others home, of course they do not give reasons, but I was told I do not have pilots' license which was pretty astonishing. Similar for ExpressJet, and they even complimented my test results. The others on this list have not granted me an interview and I do not expect to hear from them, as they have had my application a while.

Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1436032)

Scott, my point was the shortage if there is going to be one is not here yet based on my experience. That's all. It may come at some point, probably will, but my practical experience after applying to all of, and interviewing at many regional airlines during the last few months tells a clear story that talk be damned, no regional is very serious about staffing shortages because they do not have them. That notion simply does not square with their actual hiring behavior. If there were a real shortage, or strong evidence of one, I would simply admit as much. I am not trying to salvage my own ego, I am in fact about to leave pro flying for other pastures because I can't find a job here. What's more, I think it is a disservice to other entry-level pilots to spread these ideas of a shortage when there is none. I have a decent although admittedly less than impressive resume, and yet I can't get an airline job. Similar for many others I know.

Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 1436134)

They've been touting this shortage since I was in high school in the 80s.

You gotta realize there truly is no shortage of pilots. Only a shortage of people willing to work for slave wages.
In the 1980s regional flying was about 10% of the pilots. Now it's about 30 and 50% of all take off and landings. We are in fact still in a glut of pilots. Managements and the RAA love to talk about the "shortage". The more they can get pilot prospects to believe it the better. Because they now have a problem hiring people to fly their 50 seat jets that didn't exist 20 years ago. They are trying to time this so called shortage by switching their 37/44/ and 50 seat jets for bigger. Bada bing pilot shortage solved. They will feel a squeeze during the transition. Not enough pilots here and there but when the dust settles wages will still be about the same for regionals.