Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1449657)

They are a drag on the XJT negotiations and by extension on this sector of the industry. It is fact that Skywest tied themselves to the XJT negotiations by agreeing to get whatever the XJT pilots get for 401k matching, health benefits, and scope. By anchoring 3000 additional pilots to another pilot group's negotiations, it takes more negotiating capital because the costing would include 7500 pilots rather than 4500 (which Skywest pilots are not contributing to) to keep what we have in those sections since they are all better than what Skywest has already, much less try to improve on those sections. More than likely, it'll cost us too much negotiating capital to keep all those items and they'll just concentrate on scope. If we do get any improvements in other places, skywest management will be hard pressed not to offer something up to their pilots, minus 2% of course, in order to perpetuate the whipsaw.

That clear things up a bit?

Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1449707)

Legacy Express or whatever you all call yourselves suck. Now get off our boat.

Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1449657)

They are a drag on the XJT negotiations and by extension on this sector of the industry. It is fact that Skywest tied themselves to the XJT negotiations by agreeing to get whatever the XJT pilots get for 401k matching, health benefits, and scope. By anchoring 3000 additional pilots to another pilot group's negotiations, it takes more negotiating capital because the costing would include 7500 pilots rather than 4500 (which Skywest pilots are not contributing to) to keep what we have in those sections since they are all better than what Skywest has already, much less try to improve on those sections. More than likely, it'll cost us too much negotiating capital to keep all those items and they'll just concentrate on scope. If we do get any improvements in other places, skywest management will be hard pressed not to offer something up to their pilots, minus 2% of course, in order to perpetuate the whipsaw.

That clear things up a bit?

Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 1449824)

It does clear things up. I'm talking industry wide, you're talking about Expressjet/Skywest.

Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1450590)

Well, what I'm saying is that our next contract will affect the whole industry. We are the biggest regional pilot group, by far. Whatever we end up with will dictate what they offer SAPA and everyone else. To go back to you lawn analogy, we are trying to landscape, plant new flowers, and manicure our lawn in order to help bring up the value of the properties in our neighborhood. It would be nice if others that can afford it (are profitable) would lead in this regard rather than to tie themselves to someone else's lawn renovation in order to increase the value of their home.

Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1450711)

That analogy doesn’t work unless all the lawns in your neighborhood are paid for by the same person or company. He/she, who's actually in control, would choose the person who can do an adequate job maintaining their lawn at the lowest price as the standard. Then they would demand all others match their price or lose your lawns. At DL, US/AA, UA, AS, etc. your analogy works much better but not for the subcontractor industry.

This thread needs to be retired.