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JustAMushroom 07-20-2013 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1448356)
Sure, it was 3000 pilots who decided to buy XJT holdings......

And thrice again, you are welcome for ASAP.

Nice try. This is the same trick governments have been using for years....

In England is the Royal Mint but the National Debt.

For this guy it's 'pilots created CASS/ASAP etc but not responsible for profits' or vice versa. You go back and forth so many times its silly.

Your logic is circular. It's obvious now to anyone paying attention that you've run our of arrows in your quiver.

Nevets 07-20-2013 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by JustAMushroom (Post 1448431)

Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1448356)
Sure, it was 3000 pilots who decided to buy XJT holdings......

And thrice again, you are welcome for ASAP.

Nice try. This is the same trick governments have been using for years....

In England is the Royal Mint but the National Debt.

For this guy it's 'pilots created CASS/ASAP etc but not responsible for profits' or vice versa. You go back and forth so many times its silly.

Your logic is circular. It's obvious now to anyone paying attention that you've run our of arrows in your quiver.

Another one who skirts around the question at hand. Figures you guys would do this kind of stuff. Anyway, it wasn't any pilot that makes those types of decisions. And it wasn't because of any of those pilots that the decision was made. It was made solely because they thought it was best for the shareholders, not because some work group allowed them. It would have been made regardless if they felt it was best. I hope that clears it up.

NVUS 07-20-2013 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1448512)
Another one who skirts around the question at hand. Figures you guys would do this kind of stuff. Anyway, it wasn't any pilot that makes those types of decisions. And it wasn't because of any of those pilots that the decision was made. It was made solely because they thought it was best for the shareholders, not because some work group allowed them. It would have been made regardless if they felt it was best. I hope that clears it up.


Thank you for CASS and ASAP. You're welcome for the continued employment. We will continue to make the money, and you can continue to be a righteous douchebag. Deal?

450knotOffice 07-20-2013 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1448542)
Thank you for CASS and ASAP. You're welcome for the continued employment.

The arrogance: This is what I'm talking about. YOU and every other pilot have NOTHING to do with ANYBODY's employment. Why do you keep saying that? Get off of your high horse, man. If anybody should be thanked for the continued employment of the ASA and Xjet employees, it's the senior level managers at your company. NOT any of you folks. Pretty simple concept. YOU have nothing to do with the continued employment of any given employee.

I think he might be a "douchebag" because he's tired of being told that he should thank YOU guys for his job. If somebody were to tell you that over and over, you WOULD react the same way. Do not kid yourself.

And, SLATS, from the bottom of my heart, I thank you for your moral support toward those of us at Eagle. We are all hoping that others will draw the line in the sand and stop this never ending race to the bottom.

Cheers. :)

Slats 07-21-2013 02:39 AM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 1448582)
The arrogance: This is what I'm talking about. YOU and every other pilot have NOTHING to do with ANYBODY's employment. Why do you keep saying that? Get off of your high horse, man. If anybody should be thanked for the continued employment of the ASA and Xjet employees, it's the senior level managers at your company. NOT any of you folks. Pretty simple concept. YOU have nothing to do with the continued employment of any given employee.

I think he might be a "douchebag" because he's tired of being told that he should thank YOU guys for his job. If somebody were to tell you that over and over, you WOULD react the same way. Do not kid yourself.

And, SLATS, from the bottom of my heart, I thank you for your moral support toward those of us at Eagle. We are all hoping that others will draw the line in the sand and stop this never ending race to the bottom.

Cheers. :)

Hey, your MEC did the regional world "a solid" I hope it starts a trend in the right direction.

NVUS 07-21-2013 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 1448582)
The arrogance: This is what I'm talking about. YOU and every other pilot have NOTHING to do with ANYBODY's employment. Why do you keep saying that? Get off of your high horse, man. If anybody should be thanked for the continued employment of the ASA and Xjet employees, it's the senior level managers at your company. NOT any of you folks. Pretty simple concept. YOU have nothing to do with the continued employment of any given employee.

I think he might be a "douchebag" because he's tired of being told that he should thank YOU guys for his job. If somebody were to tell you that over and over, you WOULD react the same way. Do not kid yourself.

The profits created by the entire SkyWest Airlines employee group is the sole reason the company was able to make purchases such as ASA and ExpressJet. It is also the current profits generated by the SkyWest Airlines employee group that is continuing to pay the bills around here.

He needs to worry less about SAPA and more about his own MEC. He is just an internet troll that continues to perpetuate the negative image the entire SkyWest pilot groups has about the ExpressJet pilot group.

JustAMushroom 07-21-2013 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1448512)
Another one who skirts around the question at hand. Figures you guys would do this kind of stuff. Anyway, it wasn't any pilot that makes those types of decisions. And it wasn't because of any of those pilots that the decision was made. It was made solely because they thought it was best for the shareholders, not because some work group allowed them. It would have been made regardless if they felt it was best. I hope that clears it up.

Nobody is skirting around any issues. I've addressed your point before. You're loosing money. You've got to change. End of story. All your bloviating isn't going to change this. We may disagree on the tactics of getting you out of the hole but everyone has to face the facts...you're in a hole!!!Nobody cares if you don't like SAPA or JA. Nobody even cares if you're grateful. But there are mechanics, FA's and gate agents who have mouths to feed and if you're too slow to figure it out, Ill help.. we're all in this together. Get your act together and start carrying your own weight.

Slats 07-21-2013 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by JustAMushroom (Post 1448604)
Nobody is skirting around any issues. I've addressed your point before. You're loosing money. You've got to change. End of story. All your bloviating isn't going to change this. We may disagree on the tactics of getting you out of the hole but everyone has to face the facts...you're in a hole!!!Nobody cares if you don't like SAPA or JA. Nobody even cares if you're grateful. But there are mechanics, FA's and gate agents who have mouths to feed and if you're too slow to figure it out, Ill help.. we're all in this together. Get your act together and start carrying your own weight.

Boom, that just happened. Shake N Bake

What 07-21-2013 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1448542)
Thank you for CASS and ASAP. You're welcome for the continued employment. We will continue to make the money, and you can continue to be a righteous douchebag. Deal?

One pilot group blaming the other pilot group for the operation not making money or the deals and contracts management enters into.

***The current battle is to make less money, you have pilot groups at EXJ who have decent QOL and pay assisting the SKW pilots to keep the bar above Pinnacle/GoJet pay and QOL... It's a two way street, but keep fighting blaming each other as management continues to laugh to the bank and instead of running a corporation they make the profits out of the employees.

What 07-21-2013 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1448607)
Boom, that just happened. Shake N Bake

I am not at EXJ but how are they not carrying their weight?


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