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Slats 07-02-2013 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 1437971)
Pinnacle pilots didn't REQUIRE concessions either, but they still took them. Much as we all suspect SKW pilots will.

I highly doubt OO pilots will vote yes to anything that resembles Pinnacles contract... We're profitable, Mesa and Pinnacle filed BK and Pinnacle was "threatend" with a shutdown, big difference...

Captain Tony 07-02-2013 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1437490)
Hey, kinda like you eh Capt?

No, I have my apps out and plan to leave as soon as possible. Meanwhile I hope we get every dollar we deserve and then some right up until the close the doors.

Captain Tony 07-02-2013 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1437984)
I highly doubt OO pilots will vote yes to anything that resembles Pinnacles contract... We're profitable, Mesa and Pinnacle filed BK and Pinnacle was "threatend" with a shutdown, big difference...

SKW pilots "vote". That's rich. Their "vote" means about as much as an Airbus pilot's inputs on the stick.

Surprise 07-02-2013 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1438056)
SKW pilots "vote". That's rich. Their "vote" means about as much as an Airbus pilot's inputs on the stick.

We voted on ALPA a couple times. I think that meant something.

mking84 07-02-2013 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Jet87 (Post 1437348)
OO will park another 11-12 CRJ 200s for delta this fall, I personally think management has a plan for them... the 100 planes that come off for United are not being parked, they are just coming off contract (there is an opportunity to renew these contracts), so this is what management has been saying is we need to be competitive to keep the flying we have with United, and the 175s will be growth, if we don't renew flying with United with the CRJs then 175s will be replacement, and United doesn't hate the 200 like delta does, there is potential to keep it around. SkyWest is also really liking this pro rate thing, they will probably keep 200s just for that.

To say that SKYW will be immune from a 50 seat reduction is pretty ridiculous. Do you honestly think all these parked 200's are going to find homes with all carriers shedding 50 seat lift? The fact is Inc as a whole (SKYW and XJT) are going to be much smaller in 5-10 years, we are not immune to the changes in the industry. The quicker you put the kool aid down and take a look at things you'll have a much better idea of where this place is headed. SKYW is NOT afraid to shrink to make more money.

Nevets 07-02-2013 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Surprise (Post 1438078)

Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1438056)
SKW pilots "vote". That's rich. Their "vote" means about as much as an Airbus pilot's inputs on the stick.

We voted on ALPA a couple times. I think that meant something.

That's because federal law requires it and was conducted under the auspices of the NMB, not by the company.

Jet87 07-02-2013 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 1438101)
To say that SKYW will be immune from a 50 seat reduction is pretty ridiculous. Do you honestly think all these parked 200's are going to find homes with all carriers shedding 50 seat lift? The fact is Inc as a whole (SKYW and XJT) are going to be much smaller in 5-10 years, we are not immune to the changes in the industry. The quicker you put the kool aid down and take a look at things you'll have a much better idea of where this place is headed. SKYW is NOT afraid to shrink to make more money.

We are going to park 12 planes this fall, but we are hiring indefinitely, I believe a lot of those 200s will be placed as spares or put them into the pro rate system. Look into the pro rate stuff SkyWest had been doing, they are doing pretty well with it and will keep it going, the 200 is profitable its not going to go away just yet.

Will there be a reduction in 50 seaters? Yes. Are they all going to go in the desert immediately? No

Surprise 07-02-2013 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1438134)
That's because federal law requires it and was conducted under the auspices of the NMB, not by the company.

I know that, but that's not what he said. He said that SkyWest pilots' votes have no meaning. He didn't specify the sort of election.

moflyer 07-02-2013 10:49 AM

They could place some of the 200's on EAS contracts up in Montana. They would have to of course win the contracts, but SkyWest has had pretty good luck recently.

MatchPoint 07-02-2013 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1438056)
SKW pilots "vote". That's rich. Their "vote" means about as much as an Airbus pilot's inputs on the stick.

We do vote and regardless of the garbage posters like you regurgitation Mgmt. has ALWAYS respected that vote. And yes we've voted no a few times and Mgmt. has come back to the table with a better offer which we then voted on again.

Our SAPA is somewhat like a “student council” but I bet you if you do some unbiased research, which you’re obviously incapable of, you’ll find our Mgmt. group has respected our agreed upon policies far better than any other regional Mgmt. has respected their ‘union’ contract. Since you can’t, try taking a look around these boards and see how many disgruntle SkyWest pilots there are and compare that to how many disgruntled other pilots there are. "Proofs in the pudding" as they say.


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