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MatchPoint 07-02-2013 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1437785)
Even worse then! Are you management?

Hahahahahahaaa, you guys are always good for a laugh.

MatchPoint 07-02-2013 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 1438101)
To say that SKYW will be immune from a 50 seat reduction is pretty ridiculous. Do you honestly think all these parked 200's are going to find homes with all carriers shedding 50 seat lift? The fact is Inc as a whole (SKYW and XJT) are going to be much smaller in 5-10 years, we are not immune to the changes in the industry. The quicker you put the kool aid down and take a look at things you'll have a much better idea of where this place is headed. SKYW is NOT afraid to shrink to make more money.

Now how did you get immune out of that? You're reading what you want to see and not what was posted, but then again that's status-quo for these boards.

Also SkyWest isn't afraid to place -200s on breakeven EAS routes or marginal routes mainline just doesn’t want to manage anymore in order to save money and have the potential for greater profits and better mainline relationships. Something no other regional is willing to do, while others struggle and go BK SkyWest continues to turn profits. Call them what you will but our management group understand their markets better than any other.

cencal83406 07-02-2013 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1438273)
Now how did you get immune out of that? You're reading what you want to see and not what was posted, but then again that's status-quo for these boards.

Also SkyWest isn't afraid to place -200s on breakeven EAS routes or marginal routes mainline just doesn’t want to manage anymore in order to save money and have the potential for greater profits and better mainline relationships. Something no other regional is willing to do, while others struggle and go BK SkyWest continues to turn profits. Call them what you will but our management group understand their markets better than any other.

Uh... Regionals have no choice where to put airplanes. The mainline partner tells a regional to jump and they reply with the question "how high?"

Nevets 07-02-2013 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Surprise (Post 1438160)

Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1438134)
That's because federal law requires it and was conducted under the auspices of the NMB, not by the company.

I know that, but that's not what he said. He said that SkyWest pilots' votes have no meaning. He didn't specify the sort of election.

By context, it was obvious to me he was talking about your pay raise vote. Those elections have no weight with the NMB. Only the importance of employee relations are considered in honoring any vote given to at-will employees.


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1438273)

Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 1438101)
To say that SKYW will be immune from a 50 seat reduction is pretty ridiculous. Do you honestly think all these parked 200's are going to find homes with all carriers shedding 50 seat lift? The fact is Inc as a whole (SKYW and XJT) are going to be much smaller in 5-10 years, we are not immune to the changes in the industry. The quicker you put the kool aid down and take a look at things you'll have a much better idea of where this place is headed. SKYW is NOT afraid to shrink to make more money.

Now how did you get immune out of that? You're reading what you want to see and not what was posted, but then again that's status-quo for these boards.

Also SkyWest isn't afraid to place -200s on breakeven EAS routes or marginal routes mainline just doesn’t want to manage anymore in order to save money and have the potential for greater profits and better mainline relationships. Something no other regional is willing to do, while others struggle and go BK SkyWest continues to turn profits. Call them what you will but our management group understand their markets better than any other.

Excellent point! And yet you have management mentality when it comes to your pilot compensation. You make a very good case for higher compensation, yet you spew the same F&H propaganda.

MatchPoint 07-02-2013 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1438283)
Uh... Regionals have no choice where to put airplanes. The mainline partner tells a regional to jump and they reply with the question "how high?"

Incorrect, we have the ability to bid on EAS routes and restart routes mainline has cancelled. Over 75% of our E-120 flying and quite a bit of our CRJ flying is EAS or non-mainline routes that are controlled by SkyWest. Last I heard the number was around 10% of our overall monthly block hours fully belong to SkyWest and are not controlled by mainline. We just contract with them to sell the tickets. That provides non-risk free feed to our mainline partners which they love, SkyWest is best at this type of flying / partnerships.

Awhile back CC posted a map of our at-risk flying, I can’t find if but if someone can, you’d be AMAZED at how much we do!

This is much like what Great Lakes does and does any mainline partner control their routes? no.

MatchPoint 07-02-2013 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1438295)
Excellent point! And yet you have management mentality when it comes to your pilot compensation. You make a very good case for higher compensation, yet you spew the same F&H propaganda.

That's my multiple business degrees and years of middle management (sales) before I got sick in tired of the rat race and went against by fathers (Ex-Braniff pilot hired back in 1957 and flew at Braniff 1,2 & 3) advice and did an about 180. I fully understand our management’s perspectives, why they do what they do and what they need to maintain to be successful. In my last job my margins were 3x what SkyWest are so I’m very amazed at their success in an industry held down by mainlines thumb and undercut by others who only care about market segment and not profitability.

Jet87 07-02-2013 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1438283)

Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1438273)
Now how did you get immune out of that? You're reading what you want to see and not what was posted, but then again that's status-quo for these boards.

Also SkyWest isn't afraid to place -200s on breakeven EAS routes or marginal routes mainline just doesn’t want to manage anymore in order to save money and have the potential for greater profits and better mainline relationships. Something no other regional is willing to do, while others struggle and go BK SkyWest continues to turn profits. Call them what you will but our management group understand their markets better than any other.

Uh... Regionals have no choice where to put airplanes. The mainline partner tells a regional to jump and they reply with the question "how high?"

Uh... Do you have any idea what you are talking about? It's called pro rate or at risk flying. Matchpoint already responded to you but why do you think the EMB 120 has stayed around for so long? Because it makes Skywest money in the pro rate market, so does the 200. It's my belief the pro rate market will get even bigger

Slats 07-02-2013 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Jet87 (Post 1438327)
Uh... Do you have any idea what you are talking about? It's called pro rate or at risk flying. Matchpoint already responded to you but why do you think the EMB 120 has stayed around for so long? Because it makes Skywest money in the pro rate market, so does the 200. It's my belief the pro rate market will get even bigger

Haters gonna hate... They just want to see us fail or get pay severely slashed. Misery loves company right?

For those XJT guys Tony, Nevets ect... Worry about expressjet becoming profitable and stop sand bagging contract negotiations. Get on board with the program that's proven success and profitability...

MatchPoint 07-02-2013 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1438354)
Haters gonna hate... They just want to see us fail or get pay severely slashed. Misery loves company right?

For those XJT guys Tony, Nevets ect... Worry about expressjet becoming profitable and stop sand bagging contract negotiations. Get on board with the program that's proven success and profitability...

And history has proven you make far more money and are far happier when there's movement and upgrades. Whereas being the highest paid in the subcontractor industry has proven just the opposite.

Like I posted previously, I would rather make $2 less while improving QOL rules and save my company almost $6M/yr. to help them maintain competitiveness than help run my airline into stagnation due to no new contracts, loss of flying and money which could result in bankruptcy. I just don’t understand why anyone would want the latter. Then again our Mgmt. group unlike any other has proven themselves to be very savvy and mostly trust worthy. They also have proven their dedication to SkyWest continued success and profitability.

In addition I also like profitability bonuses over $2 more per hour so we can share in the good times and not hurt my airline during the bad. But then again I do trust the majority of our Mgmt. group, which doesn't mean I don't hold them accountable and check to make sure they crossed their T's and dotted their I's. And I do call them out when they haven't, but that's an intern issue not meant for these boards mainly due to the haters.

mking84 07-02-2013 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1438354)
Haters gonna hate... They just want to see us fail or get pay severely slashed. Misery loves company right?

For those XJT guys Tony, Nevets ect... Worry about expressjet becoming profitable and stop sand bagging contract negotiations. Get on board with the program that's proven success and profitability...

I have ZERO concern for XJT's profitibility, those decisions are made at a much higher pay grade than mine. Maybe SKYW shouldn't bill the hell out of xjt for services to suck money from the operation? Years of misteps by management installed by st george is why there isnt a profit, it has nothing to do with what im paid. This place feels like it is run by frank lorenzo himself.


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