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What 07-28-2013 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1453052)
Of course he references Eagle pilots and they DID have a hand in influencing their reps in opposition to Gutierrez's beliefs, but he shouldn't have included Gutierrez in any way if he truly knew the facts. If his contact in the future is Gutierrez, that isn't much benefit to Eagle pilots per se. I understand Gutierrez only has a limited time in office, so hopefully whenever the next significant issue for all concerned arises requiring collaboration, it won't be Gutierrez or any of his sidekicks involved with mapping this pilot groups or the regional industries future.

I agree with you as far as Tony, but when you are trying to unify a front you can't just bypass Tony. This the politically correct way of contacting Eagle, on that note by sending this to Tony he forced his hand. This letter didn't leak because Tony made it available. He did it correctly in my eyes and gave Tony the opportunity, if he choses not to then the LECs will force Tony just as they have for the last couple of week. But outside of the politically correctness, I am there with you. Tony is just a figurehead but he has no doing in all of this. It's actually a fitting way for him to finish hie term.

TillerEnvy 07-28-2013 09:16 AM



Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1452961)
AA management takes flying away, not rah pilots. No pilot group takes flying away, management farms it out to get one to low ball and then squeeze the rest. Anger or disgust should be directed to management not pilot groups.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Another classy move by the IBT. Put real Eagle pilots on the street then thank them for the opportunity to transfer the jobs to Repugnant.
And the troll makes an appearance! Say cheese!

SpreadEagle 07-28-2013 10:22 AM

Your not doing enough...
 
I applaud your labor group leader's attempt at Unity. However, the actions of your labor group do not mirror this attempt at regional pilot unity. I understand that your labor group has voted for a strike and that the mediator has not released you into the appropriate avenues with regards to the Railway Labor Act. Your labor group has not given your management any motivation to return to the bargaining table or take your labor group seriously. Your airline obviously still operates within the acceptable parameters of the agreements with all your major airline customers that none of these contracts have attempted to be cancelled by said customers. Your on time performance is obviously still acceptable to the Department of Transportation because your airline is not having massive fines levied against it for terrible operational performance. My point is, your entire labor group has the tools available to force your management back to the bargaining table. Either do to apathy or fear of retribution your labor group lacks the wherewithal to utilize those tools as leverage to force your management to negotiate a reasonable industry leading contract for your pilot group.

I want your labor group to have the same protections and guarantees that I have in my labor contract. I would actually rather see your pilot group awarded with a better contract, one that is industry-leading. You have declared your intentions, if you truly wish to receive support from your regional brothers and sisters and no longer be considered the "Bottom Feeders," of the regional airline industry... It is imperative that your labor group take action now.

babs 07-28-2013 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by SpreadEagle (Post 1453095)
I applaud your labor group leader's attempt at Unity. However, the actions of your labor group do not mirror this attempt at regional pilot unity. I understand that your labor group has voted for a strike and that the mediator has not released you into the appropriate avenues with regards to the Railway Labor Act. Your labor group has not given your management any motivation to return to the bargaining table or take your labor group seriously. Your airline obviously still operates within the acceptable parameters of the agreements with all your major airline customers that none of these contracts have attempted to be cancelled by said customers. Your on time performance is obviously still acceptable to the Department of Transportation because your airline is not having massive fines levied against it for terrible operational performance. My point is, your entire labor group has the tools available to force your management back to the bargaining table. Either do to apathy or fear of retribution your labor group lacks the wherewithal to utilize those tools as leverage to force your management to negotiate a reasonable industry leading contract for your pilot group.

I want your labor group to have the same protections and guarantees that I have in my labor contract. I would actually rather see your pilot group awarded with a better contract, one that is industry-leading. You have declared your intentions, if you truly wish to receive support from your regional brothers and sisters and no longer be considered the "Bottom Feeders," of the regional airline industry... It is imperative that your labor group take action now.

Agreed, well said!

Saabs 07-28-2013 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by SpreadEagle (Post 1453095)
I applaud your labor group leader's attempt at Unity. However, the actions of your labor group do not mirror this attempt at regional pilot unity. I understand that your labor group has voted for a strike and that the mediator has not released you into the appropriate avenues with regards to the Railway Labor Act. Your labor group has not given your management any motivation to return to the bargaining table or take your labor group seriously. Your airline obviously still operates within the acceptable parameters of the agreements with all your major airline customers that none of these contracts have attempted to be cancelled by said customers. Your on time performance is obviously still acceptable to the Department of Transportation because your airline is not having massive fines levied against it for terrible operational performance. My point is, your entire labor group has the tools available to force your management back to the bargaining table. Either do to apathy or fear of retribution your labor group lacks the wherewithal to utilize those tools as leverage to force your management to negotiate a reasonable industry leading contract for your pilot group.

I want your labor group to have the same protections and guarantees that I have in my labor contract. I would actually rather see your pilot group awarded with a better contract, one that is industry-leading. You have declared your intentions, if you truly wish to receive support from your regional brothers and sisters and no longer be considered the "Bottom Feeders," of the regional airline industry... It is imperative that your labor group take action now.

Don't say "take action now". Be specific in what u want the RAH pilot group to do. I'm popping my corn getting ready for your proposal.:rolleyes:

babs 07-28-2013 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1453118)
Don't say "take action now". Be specific in what u want the RAH pilot group to do. I'm popping my corn getting ready for your proposal.:rolleyes:

Do what the AA pilots just did. Do your job and only your job. Doesn't seem that difficult to me.

buddies8 07-28-2013 06:23 PM

Political niceties.

groundspoiler 07-28-2013 06:49 PM

Tell me maybe I am wrong but didn't Craig Moffet get fired from RAH about a couple of months ago. What gives? Did they rehire him back or what. I must have been out of the loop here. Thanks for the info!

captfurlough 07-28-2013 09:07 PM

Can't believe he's still involved here. Talk about nuts.

magnus0322 07-28-2013 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by groundspoiler:1453290
Tell me maybe I am wrong but didn't Craig Moffet get fired from RAH about a couple of months ago. What gives? Did they rehire him back or what. I must have been out of the loop here. Thanks for the info!

No, the Muffin Man is still fired. He's still our Union president while things get settled in a dispute the Union filed for him. Meanwhile he has been spending his time in DC meeting with senators that oversee the appropriations for the NMB. Our pilot group has written letters to key senators and congressmen. Due to the sheer volume of letters some of these people took notice and actually invited Moffatt and our pilot group to meet in DC. Union has helped get several of our members on the hill and from what I hear they have managed to get support for a bipartisan agreement to help change language that requires the NMB to do its job. I have no clue what will come of it, but lo and behold all of a sudden the NMB and our mediator scheduled talks for Aug. 6-7 after we were put on ice several months ago. In the meantime I'll continue to write emails and if I have time go to DC.

As far as our group taking a page from AA pilots I couldn't agree more. There are many of us doing our jobs and only our jobs as safely as we can. We need everyone on board. I don't get why this pilot group is so divided.... Then again, there is a lack of leadership from a lot of the CA here who do everything to get out on time, including releasing the brake without following SOP in order to get on the clock to make a few extra minutes a leg.


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