Current 824 Projection
 

Looks like finally seeing people get their "Transfer Awarded" motivated a bunch more guys to update their flow through election status. Currently the last pilot in the 824 is:

Employee #: 675406
Company Seniority (According to list): 1587
Company Seniority in SABRE: 1562

From last week to this week there where 101 pilots that updated their status to "Accept when offered."

Good for them! They are finally realizing there is no Future at L-Eagle.

Have any started class at AA yet?

Negative for the 824's. AA has to be in hiring mode for that. So far no word from their camp.

At Eagle we still have guys who are also on the AA seniority list. Those guys should be gone by November at the latest and then AA has projected hiring and the 824 will start. The company has identified who the first wave will be and are waiting for a class date as the last guys with numbers at AA are taking the call at a high rate, the last list that was shown showed a better than 80% acceptance rate.

No future at all, you are correct AMR will park 230+ airplane tomorrow and furlough everyone.

Net change of 15
 

Currently the last pilot in the "824" is:

Employee #: 675346
Company Seniority (According to list): 1560
Company Seniority in SABRE: 1535

From last week to this week there where 15 pilots that updated their status to "Accept when offered."

Thanks for taking the time and informing those not employees at Eagle of the happenings. For those not employees at Eagle, the 824 is 824 spots so that number will change as the number approaches guys and they likely update the number to accept but it also changes as guys quit eagle when accepting employment at other places. So this number will change over the next 2-3 years.

With only 1500 hired over 5 years we'll still have alot of those guys on property 6 years from now, especially with a metered flow. I feel bad for those guys because AMR has dicked them around so much but at the same time anyone who stayed at Eagle to get their ticket punched at AA only has themselves to blame.

New 824 "Bottom"
 

Currently the last pilot in the "824" is:

Employee #: 675328
Company Seniority (According to list): 1552
Company Seniority in SABRE: 1527

Net Change of 8 pilots changing status to "Accept when offered."

You claim to be an active Eagle pilot yet don't know that 824 guys are already getting class dates? I'm starting to believe what others on here say about you.

As of today, NONE of the 824's have class dates assigned. They are in process of filling out PRIA's. Expect class dates in NOV.

So, I stand correct.

and there transfer to aa has been accepted by aa as of September 2013 for a unknown class date. this is for the first 50 or so who have elected to go to aa.
to be more accurate.

RJ, you're something else, man. I feel sorry for your FO's that have to listen to your doom and gloom negativity. You've got a level 5 thunderstorm hovering over you at all times. Enjoy your life at AE.

I'd rather fly with a realist like him than some rainbows, sunshine, and unicorns moron who believes in a "pilot shortage" and "hiring at majors".

Thanks, Sometimes people just don't want to listen to the truth.
And they know I bring it....

It's not fun flying with people who complain all the time regardless of whether what they're complaining about is true or not. It creates a toxic work environment. Some discussions are better had over drinks after work and not in the cockpit.

He believes that the mainlines are not hiring? That all the hiring projections are a hoax!

This just seems to be the thing to say. Mostly because people have heard it said over and over again, not because they actually believe it or have data to back it.

The majors are already hiring.

Lack of new pilots coupled with retirement numbers seem to support a lack of warm bodies in the next 10 years or so.

Obviously anything can happen economy wise or with a 9/11 style event but at this time things look to be trending towards the positive.

The majors will most likely never be canceling flights because they cant get enough applicants but if you want to work at a place like that you probably have a better chance in the next decade or so than any other previous time in airline history.

It's amazing to me that pilots, a workgroup that is very left-brained, would continue to deny supporting facts because they've been hearing some guy spout off that "there never has been and never will be."

The last of the 31 flow throughs are getting their offers for the Nov 20th class it appears. The first of the 824 could get class dates soon. Maybe for the Nov 20 class?

The irony coming from a PSA pilot!

1500 over 5 years at AA, let's assume that's the norm. 300 per year at UAL, DAL, AA so were looking at 900 a year. If you don't have strong connections, internship, etc. you're not getting hired. Time to face the facts, most of us will spend the majority of our careers at a regional and maybe if we're lucky we'll spend the last 10 or so at a mainline.

These "projections" also account for growth which may or may not happen. I prefer to count my chickens after they've hatched.

900 per year....There are only ~20000 regional pilots.

Probably 20-30% either don't want to move up, or are un-hireable leaving ~16000 pilots.

Your 900 per year will increase, and doesn't need growth to do so. Retirements start to skyrocket after 2020.

While obviously every slot at a major will not be offered to a regional pilot, your own(probably conservative) 900 per year projection will have enough slots for theoretically every single regional pilot to move to a major within around 16 years. That leaves the average 25-30 year old regional FO with a 20+ year career at a major.

900 a year is a pretty good number.

Your numbers also don't count desirable destinations like brown, purple, SWA, AAG, and Hawaii.

Nor does the 900 count for normal attrition, fractionals, charter, corporate, overseas, etc. Bzzt, is the new doom and gloom twist all decent / good news into trash and depression...his rationale is "being a realist."

oh the dreamers of that mainline job that will never appear, there numbers are so skewed.

Keep hope alive!

Honest question. How are they skewed.

I've read many charts/posts/articles with numbers to backup an increase in need for pilots.

Backup your argument with some numbers to show me they are skewed.

I understand there are some biased people out there with stuff to gain like flt schools, etc....

List update 10/18/2013
 

Currently the last pilot in the "824" is:

Employee #: 675311
Company Seniority (According to list): 1547
Company Seniority in SABRE: 1518

Net Change of 4 pilots changing status to "Accept when offered."

Sometime in the next century they will flow.

Metering 20 a month. Thats if no major hiccups occur, economy, fuel etc…….

If fuel increases guess what airplane will be gone first! Let me tell you it won't be the Mad-Dog!

50 seater RJ's. Park them and they will increase the flow.

Oil/fuel prices are heading down...

Completely of subject...

Do Eagle employee numbers start with "675"? Pre-Delta Compass pilots have "675" numbers. Why the hell would that be?

Not all the numbers start with 675.

Our employee numbers are all over the place and really have no specific pattern. Some guys start with 59xxxx, some 653xxx some 603xxx, some 48xxxx, some 619xxx. Lower numbers does not mean more senior and higher number does not mean more junior. Within a group, it tends to be like that but thats about it.

Also, our numbers are AMR numbers - not just Eagle or AA. If you go to AA you keep your number. Same if you were say a ramper or something before you were a pilot.

all those 61###, 65#### are mostly FO's some JR CA's.

11/14/2013 List Update
 

Currently the last pilot in the "824" is:

Employee #: 675335
Company Seniority (According to list): 1554
Company Seniority in SABRE: 1492

Net Change of 5 pilots changing status to "Declined or No Selection." This moved the list down to encompass five more Junior CAs.

Remember, every time they start from the top of the list again. So those that "declined" can later change their minds…..

These numbers don't really matter anyway because as soon as the 824 go it moves to the preferential hires. Which is basically the exact same thing except they can go at 25/mo instead of 20..

This is assuming hiring actually lasts and everything goes smoothly of course.. Which I'm not holding my breath. Because it never does..