They don't lose their slot true, but AA's release said they were doing 50 a month til summer which leads me to believe they'll hire to staff summer then stop til the following year which would most likely give them class sizes large enough to meter Eagle guys. Only time will tell but mathematically it looks like it'll be awhile for the 824 to be gone.

Your anger and pessimism interferes with your ability to comprehend the information presented, there is a difference between "til summer" and "through at least summer". AA did not open a hiring window, they started hiring for the long haul with the expectation of 1,500 pilots in 5 years and 45-50 a month for the next 9-12 months including Eagle pilots. So far AA has said it will not meter and it plans to send 25 AE pilots mixed in with the first 50 new hires. The first 25 AE pilots have been identified.


"American currently anticipates the need to initially hire approximately 45 to 50 pilots per month through at least summer 2014, including pilots from American Eagle Airlines, Inc. and the appropriate balance from external sources."

Eagle is shrinking and there are not plane orders for us.

I bet they want to get as much people making 80k + to the 40k first year pay. People is saying yes like crazy in our 824 website.

Management already said also that we will be parking some E-140 next year. Why furlough pilots if you can keep the JR guy with our crappy salary and get rid of the expensive captain?

There are 145's being returned as well. They are not necessarily returning all the 140's first.

We have two UAL guys that bypassed; one not only bypassed, he resigned. Two AA guys are waiting out the 3 year countdown and then may or may not resign. There are gigs better than majors, especially if combination of age and seniority mean years as an F/O and never a chance at WB Captain.

GF

Can you give a few examples of better gigs? Do you mean overseas stuff or are you talking low cost carriers? Did you mean to say better gigs than the legacies? Honest question. Thanks.

I just talked to an AA furloughee here at Spirit. He (I'm 99%) sure resigned from AA. He's a CA here, junior-middle ish of the pack I think

If anybody ever wondered what a love child between RJ Pilot and Roger Cohen would look like...here is your answer:

Bzzt!

45-50 a month puts them on pace for more than 1500 over 5 years. This is not "long haul".

I bet you're just a peach to fly with on a 4-day...

Sulkair,

These guys are in stable, corporate jobs paying north of 150k with good skeds. It's all about the trade-offs that work for the individual. One has a 10-minute commute; has planned time off; good benefits and loves the job. No, not easy to find.

GF

I would like one of those jobs too.

If I can inject a little optimism amongst all of this negativity, it's to tell you all that AA has always significantly understated its hiring #s in the past. Case in point, when they announced hiring back in '97, it was an unspectacular smallish number to begin with. They eventually ended up hiring almost 1500 pilots over the course of 3 years... WELL above what they'd ever planned or announced.

Today will be no different. Barring another major catastrophe, I'm casting my lot with a number way higher than 1500 over 5 years.... closer to 2500-3000, strictly based on retirements, new FAA duty regs, and forecast growth.

Back to the little black cloud... ;)

I don't talk about this crap at work unless someone else starts the conversation. I commute 4 hours to ORD from the west coast because they closed LAX, keep my head down and try not to hang myself on the overnights, not start frustrating conversations. Most people who aren't in love with aviation realize the career is pretty awful anyway, it's not a hot topic.

I guess once you lose hope though you don't have anything left so I'll leave the unicorn and rainbow people their "massive" hiring at AA and duck out of the pathetic conversation. Good luck.

Retirement numbers are very small for the next 5 years, they've been widely exaggerated around here but guys who've flowed over have showed people in the crew room the numbers. Something like 63 next year increasing over the next 5 but doesn't hit anything significant til 5+. Alot of those projected hiring numbers are based off expansion, which is speculation.

Dude, your 30. You already have some longevity at your airline, have 35 years left and you're talking like your life is over already. I didn't even get hired at my regional until I was 30 and that was 13 years ago at the start of the worst decade in aviation history but I still managed to make it to a major. Here you are in the same position at the forefront of the best outlook the airlines have had in years!

My advice would be to count your blessings, keep working that network and DRASTICALLY change your attitude... just trying to help ya!

There is an AA pilot who is 30?

Where did you get that from his post?

Because the post right above that is Bzzt talking about retirements being small for the next 5 years and it sounds like he was the AA pilot. Who is the 30 year old referring to?

C'mon. Reading comprehension?

JetMonkey is CLEARLY stating that Bzzt has some time at his Regional airline at age 30 when he himself was simply a new hire at a regional at age 30.

(Damn, man. Reading comprehension seems to be a lost art on this forum)

Oh ok LOL I missed that part.

Your retirement #s are technically correct, but what you are failing to take into account is that airlines don't start hiring **right when** the mass retirements take place - they start hiring **well before** that point. Which is precisely why AA, DL, UA are all cranking up hiring #s that seem to be well above retirement #s.

Also, AA has a lot more catching up to do WRT route expansion than, say, UAL and DAL, which did a lot of their growing the past 5 years.

These are the reasons why I know AA will hire significantly more than just 300/yr.

Delta hasn't done any growing since we merged with North West 5 years ago, we've been consolidating instead, by eliminating route overlap.

I know I'd end up at a major eventually, with about 15 years left in my career. The problem is I'm not in it for the money just the time off. By that time I would be unable to hold the schedules I wanted at any point in my career. At this point I'm Eagle til I retire unless I can upgrade and use the extra money to go back to school and get a new career.

Honestly this worthless career is the only bad part of my life, since that's all this forum is about it probably seems like I'm a lot more unhappy than I really am.

with that said, just stay at Eagle and become super senior at Eagle. You can (in theory) then have control over your days and time off and do what you want. Remember, you are not in it for the money, altho I am sure senior Eagle Capt is what ?? 125K ?? Can't shake a stick at that, when most of America is worried about health care and doesn't earn more than 75K.

With half the 1500 being flow-thrus to AA, and the UAL/SWA/DAL hiring that is underway or planned, Eagle should have some upward movement for the guy who looks at the chess board and says "I am dropping anchor here".

my comments regarding Eagle are admittedly thru the lens of the Legacy Eagle view, what animal Eagle turns into in 5 years is anyones guess.

Movement but no vacancy bids for upgrades, they are not planning for it.

The flip side of that is there are pilots at UPS applying to AA. After commuting to ANC for 7+ years and sitting reserve or being a junior line holder, some are willing to trade the money for daytime flying and upward movement.

As RJ Pilot said they're not planning on upgrading anyone. The flow is just going to help them shrink the carrier withough furloughing. I figure that being said I'll upgrade in about 5 years which would be the 8 year upgrade that's common right now. That puts me at 35 and schooling being another 2+ years ill " hopefully" be making a career change at 37. Hope it's not too late.

Does Aa provide a hotels and what is pay in training? Per diem?

Excellent.

Most definitely, your best career path is to stay put. As you've deduced, this hiring announcement is meaningless, trivial, and below your notice. Nothing to see, move along... :rolleyes:

1) yes, they provide a hotel from day one. In fact, if it's like it was back in /98-/01, they will invite you and someone you choose to the inaugural dinner on day 1, and provide a hotel for the both of you.

2) Training pay should be $35/hr until the MOU kicks in, then it's $40/hr. Per diem is $2.00/hr.

It is best to stay put. I tried the move from a somewhat senior fo to a corporate captain job, and 1 year later, I'm back on the street. Now all that is left is starting from the bottom up again...it sucks. But, its a sickness and I have to keep flying...