AA to hire 1500
 

Over 5 years...haha gotcha.

There is no pilot shortage, never will be. Article is on jetnet someone will link it I'm sure.

That 1500 includes the contractual eagle flows as well. Guess if you're a bottom 824 guy you'll be waiting another 6+ years for that lottery ticket to come due.

So how many commercial pilots with 1500hrs will be apply at the regionals next year?

Hiring projections;

American 300
United 500
Delta 300
Southwest 200
Frontier 100ish
Spirit?
JetBlue?
FedEx?

So that's roughly 1500 pilots, take into account that RJs will shrink next year by numbers the effects won't be greatly felt but as you approach the end of the decade the retirements number increase substantially and we will see a huge increase in hiring while new pilots continue to decrease. You can be inmature and make comments like this or you can't see that regionals will struggle next summer and beyond. Don't forget the growing Asia market and US airlines growing as well as new rest requirements.

Delta will be closer to 600 next year

There will be a "regional" pilot shortage you're right. 10 years from now? Who knows, that's longer than I have to get a job past the regional level so irrelevant for me.

Maybe this career will be good for guys who are ~15 years old right now, but those of us who are already in it? Not so much.

There are many of us in our 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's & 60's who will have great careers in aviation, could it be better... Yes, could it get worse... Yes, are things improving...yes, why are you such a pessimist, life is short... Enjoy it, speaking of enjoyment I am heading to the pool :D

Which is a huge improvement compared to how many they've hired in the past 5 years... I'm not sure why you're trying to turn that into bad news.

1500/5=300 pilots per year

300 is .017% of the roughly 17000 regional pilots in the US. Good luck with your lottery ticket.

As to the people having good careers in aviation that's all relative. I've said it before I'm 30 years old and even that is too old for the type of airline career I wanted. Flying with 14 days off the rest of my career is not ideal no matter the monetary value of my hours flown. My goal was to doze for dollars in the right seat with 21 days off a month and realistically that's not attainable unless you get hired very young and at the beginning of a wave.

This announcement is not "bad" news but it isn't good either, this is certainly no shortage.

1.7% /yr, and that's just the average over 5 years for American excluding US Airways. Add in the hiring by all the other US based airlines, plus foreign jobs... it's going to be one of the better decades to be a regional guy looking to get out than we've had in awhile.

All that hiring, it's just around the corner, just you wait!

People can say a lot about pilots but the optimism in the face of overwhelming negative evidence is something to be admired.

You better hope there's not a grade school math test on the interview.

For those in the top tier of the regionals which have waited a long time to get on board with a major, this could be the chance that they've waited upon for so long. For those of us on the bottom rung of the regionals or about to dive in, it doesn't affect our fate too much aside from opening up the to be scorned slots that everyone wants but can't avoid.

In reality,how many older RJ captains that have 10 years or more at their company making a comfortable living, good schedule,and living in base with families are willing to change companies at this piont to start all over? I believe we will see more lower time RJ and LLC FO's jumping ship to the majors who are stuck in the right seat for the unseeable future.

Considering that the bottom 150 of the AA list are all AE pilots with 18+ years longevity and are flowing at 75+%, I think you might be surpised. With the pressure being out by managements across the board because of Pinnacle and PSA combined with the Delta adjustments in 2015 you will see many lifers bail as their compensation and QOL will only go south from here.

I bet if someone gave you a bag of gold you'd complain it was too heavy too, huh? :rolleyes:

Don't be such a BZZUZ kill

Haha. Top tier in a regional. Is that like king of the jungle gym in elementary school?

So true. And you can bet your last nickel that ALPA is fighting hard with the majors to not hire those guys because of the loss in dues.

This trickle hiring is not a bag of gold, it's a bag of dog **** sprayed with perfume.

Turbine Pic time required?

Nailed it!

The career as you described it no longer exists. pilots at all carriers, even the "good" ones, work more, earn less, and have less job security than their forefathers before them.

aa hiring 1500, WOW.
5 years equal 300 per.
300 per equals 150 from street, minimum 150 from eagle.
off street 750 over 5 years, WOW big news.,

This doesn't make sense. If anything, ALPA would be fighting to get them hired at an ALPA carrier to raise their dues and replace the retirees leaving. ALPAs finances are going to take a massive hit in the next few years as topped out pilots retire and the average pay drops. Age 65 was a windfall for them, which is why they supported it.

Still better then what was hired over the last five years at AA. Of course we all wish it was more.

Yeah, seems like Bzzt spent a little too much time listening to his flight school's BS. Someone did him a big disservice. At least he's only 30 - that's not very old for a career reboot.

Ah yes. The expectations were indeed crazily out of whack among the late 90's to 9/11 FNG's. Many expected to be 70-seat RJ captains at 25 driving to work in a shiny new vette. From there it was a major by 27, 757 F/O on your 30th birthday and captain by 35. The 777 left seat by 40 and then on to a 2.5 million pension to do nothing but tinker with your Baron and Extra 300 on your 60th birthday.

Airline management and the unions corrected that fantasy.......AFTER they got the needed number of idiots. :cool:

But hey, it got suckers, saps and simpletons in the door and by god, it still works today. Why just a few days ago, the same song and dance got hundreds of chumps to fleece themselves over at PSA without so much as a single encore necessary.

Dopey pilots........when will they ever learn ?

Wasn't a flight school that tricked me it was my own stupidity. Never even thought about flying my whole life but after college I was looking for an easy career. I looked at only mainline details because I'm an idiot and by the time I found out about the regionals I was trapped.

Probably be less than 50% from eagle, they already said they'd meter the 824 flows.

but they don't lose there slot. metering is minimum 20 per month by arbitrator. that's 240 per year, 150 is a non issue. be less off the street.

You can always walk away.

Political Science degrees don't get you very far and I can't afford to go back to school. I'm stuck here just being bitter and lamenting how ****ty life is.

A lot about "life" has to do with the choices one makes. Not all mind you, but a lot. This relates to your choice of spouse, career, etc. Whether you researched your decision prior to making a choice, is on you. It appears at age 30, you are realizing this. I hope so, because if you realized this at age 25, and didn't go do something different, well, like I said, that's on you. Good Luck

I appreciate your well wishes but no amount of luck will change this career. 15-20 years at a garbage regional then 15 at a mainline flying bad trips but making a little more money. Just the way it is now, 300 pilots a year certainly isn't going to change that.

Join the military. Get some heavy time. Guard and reserve units all over the US are looking for guys.

I think 30 is too old to join the guard

There is a waiver process. We had a 35ish guy go through pilot training here recently. Never hurts to ask. If the unit really likes you, they will make it happen.

Someone needs to tell you.... with your attitude, you're going to be miserable no matter where you go or what you do. I sincerely hope you figure it out.

Best wishes.

So..what about all those United furlough recalls that are bypassing? What the heck are they doing that's so much better than going back to UAL, if indeed that job is the end-all-be-all that some of us make it to be?

This career has certainly handed me some lessons along the way, and one of them is to chalk up the experience to the big adventure I call "Life."

I work with 3 of them that have made no mention of accepting the recall. Not privy to all of the details, but they seem happy where they are for now :)

Let's see... 2014 AA to hire 1500 over 5 years. Come 2018 AA to furlough 2500 in the first quarter!