Regionals that are strict and ones that arent
 

I am interested in know if certain airlines are more strict than others when it comes to training. I have heard that airlines like American eagle want you to complete the sim sessions in 8 rides with no quarter given. Whereas express jet may give you a few more sims to get you on property. Can anybody shed any light on this?

Regionals that are strict and ones that arent
 

Yes. You're doing it wrong though.

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Pick your regional based on pay, QOL, and other such considerations, but you're doing yourself a disservice by picking an airline based on "strictness of training."

Regionals that are strict and ones that arent
 

Prettying any airline will give an extra sim or maybe two if it's obvious that you've been trying hard to excel.

Oh boy
 

You'll be getting some pretty unreliable data on this question even if you get answers. Washout rates vary quite a bit and the training departments themselves change. I recommend patronizing the APC thread of the airline you are considering and ask the pilots for the latest news.

Nothing wrong with knowing your limitations :D

If you are not the sharpest tool in the shed...you have to think about these things. No shame!!!!!

You should definitely go to Piedmont or Trans States.

lolz troll

Yeah, I hear Trans States has a top-notch training department, geared towards pilot success no matter the cost :D So good, in fact, I heard the long-time Chief Pilot resigned from his post to take up a coveted position as an Instructor :cool:

If you're still reading my posts, RZ, know I'm kidding. Respect.

Maybe it's just me, but what's our world coming to? These younger generations are already spoon fed and it's disgusting. If you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, then I don't want my family riding in the back of your airplane. Go to airline training and pass. If you don't, tough crap.

This whole thread disgusts me.

I will say that at my airline our training department is reasonable. Nothing wrong with needing an extra sim, or additional training here or there. But picking an airline based on which program is more cake cause you already know you will probably fail? Gimme a break. It's bad enough there's a shortage at the regional level and almost any one is accepted to class these days.

Rant over.

Can you fly?

Yes?

Okay, can you memorize things that are important for your job?

Okay.

Pass both of those questions and you'll be fine.

Then again lel at this thread....

Y'all brothas cray

+1!!!!!!!!

If you are that worried about passing, maybe this isn't the gig for you! 122 Is
Serious business. I just upgraded (finally). My FIRST DAY as a captain, second leg off IOE, I got compressor stalls on #2 and had to shut her down and return single engine.

If you aren't prepared for that, or think that you will have trouble with that, please, for the sake of everyone, go get more time as a CFI, or fly something else for a while to get done more experience.

Sorry...fat fingers....meant 121.

To the OP: I'm confused. Did you really try to come on and ask for the easiest airline where you can get past training?? This is like lazy high school seniors raising hands on the first day of class to ask if they're going to be graded on a curve.
You do understand that you should be embarrassed, right? As an airline pilot, you are responsible for the lives of your passengers and crew. We complain a lot around here about day to day frustrations, but that's an essential truth about what we do and it isn't something to be taken lightly. There is a required skill set that you must demonstrate, not just to pass training, but so that you're not just a lump of jello occupying a seat when the poop hits the fan.

I mean this in the kindest way possible: If you're looking for a place where you can just skate by, please don't apply to my airline. If you're worried about your skill level and passing training, go study, or get some more time before you go after a 121 job .

Agreed. 100%

The OP asked a legit question. He may very well decide airlines are not for him, so let him ask how hard it is first. Lots of pilots wash out at airlines, the rate varies from 10%-50%. A newbie who does not take the time to ask about it not well prepared. It saves everyone time, trouble and money if the applicant knows what they are getting into before diving in.

You know what else is disgusting? Rolling over to DP/a profitable US Airways and accepting a concessionary contract for new airplanes.

But you are right, this thread is dumb.

I think everybody is being way to harsh on the OP.

It's a not-so-secret secret that a few airlines (mostly regionals) have a habit of flunking out guys for the slightest problem or, worse, hiring more guys than they really need and then flunking out a certain percentage regardless of performance. Probably less common now, but careers have been ruined that way. Other airlines have a reputation for working with you and training to proficiency. I think that would be valuable information to know going into an interview regardless of how hot-sh*t a pilot you are because it says a lot about the culture and whether they practice management by intimidation.

train to proficiency?
 

How many chances do you get in a real emergency? How many chances do you get in real life difficult situations? There are no do overs.

Training to proficiency weakens our profession.

I have seen this type of training situation before at airlines. Find a new career while your young and don't embarrass yourself and our profession.

I have seen a fair number of guys who had some trouble in training, FMS work etc., who I trust my life to 100%.

And I've seen other guys who could program the sim like a true video game ace who I have no real confidence in.

A good training department knows which is which. A lazy training department will just pick the ones who'll pass a checkride with minimal cost.

Rumor has it that TSA gave a recent new hire more than 3x the regularly scheduled number of sim sessions.

This new hire then went on to set a pro-standards record before being fired.

Wow I hope you are never my sim instructor

FAA is advocating train to proficiency in the Advanced Qualification Program (AQP) presumably because it is the better safety system. Change of emphasis to systemic safety rather than traditional methods based on placing complete trust in a certificate holder (surgeon, captain) has been shown to increase safety. In surgery, a study found that introducing checklists for surgical procedures increased the overall success of surgery. The surgeons disliked it because it required running a bunch of checklists, but they caught all kinds of stuff they missed. It's similar to CRM philosophy where a unified flight crew manages crises better than a collection of (supposedly) flawless individuals.

AQP Program

L-Eagle has the best training by far. The 3 point system is the best IMHO. 3 strikes and you are downgraded or fired.

Surprisingly, more than you would think!!!!

A situation that would require you to make a life or death decision in a moments notice would be extremely rare...almost unheard of. Most situations allow you time to analyze the the situation, discuss it with your crew, run a checklist, and if it's not right....try something else.

Pilots who think they are better than everyone else weakens our profession way more than a guy who needs a little extra sim time.

+1.....amen

When I went through initial at Pinnacle (Endeavor) the Indoc, Systems, and Graphic Flight Simulator were auto-pass if you showed up and showed initiative. But...when you got to sims you'd better be able to fly the airplane. There is TTP (Train To Proficiency) but a couple of those sessions that don't look promising and you're done. Training was like 2 totally different phases. Phase I in the classroom was no biggie. Phase II in the sims was treated with a level of seriousness that you had not seen before and the difference was like night and day. And with good reason. If you can't perform in the sim you won't perform in real life when things go wrong. We had some really good instructors (who are no longer there), Eric Flemming , Jesus Rivera, & Nate Gilliam come to mind, and they knew how to teach effectively and get the most out of each sim session. Even our Check-airmen (Greg Franklin, Nick Richards for example) were always looking for an opportunity to teach when you got a line-check. It's their job to find something you do wrong. There are no perfect flights so they can find something on any given flight. And they did, but they used them as learning opportunities. If you've never been through 121 initial training you don't know what to expect so the OP's questions are valid. My 2 cents.

if the OP really is Clarence Over, he's too old now to be flying 121. So it shouldn't matter to him who has the easiest training.

Absofrickenlutely!!!

Eagle's training is definitely tough. Not just my opinion, as it's the only 121 carrier I've worked for, but also have heard it's far beyond other carriers training programs from people that came here from other airlines. However, it is also very fair. The instructors are great and they want you to not just pass, but to also leave the training center a well versed professional airline pilot. If you show that you are trying your very best, they will work with you. They will give you extra sims if you need them. Also, Eagle is to switch to AQP sometime in the near future. AQP is not designed to be "easier" per say, but it relieves some of the stress of being fired under the old "3 strike" mentality. Former Eagle pilots that moved on to other Major airlines, or flowed to AA have said that Eagle's training program made the Major's training programs seem like a piece of cake. Having said that, it's not impossibly hard, and you'll do fine if you do your homework and study.

Thank you for the first reasonable response to this thread. Everybody else ranting that the original question is unreasonable or "disgusting', ****, and get over your selves

your an idiot

Spell check please!

I like that he edited this and STILL didn't get it right.

My intent for this thread was not for users to throw flamebait at each other. However that is something beyond my control. The main reason we have these forums is to learn from each other. Pilots helping pilots. Appreciate the responses guys.

Oh, I think he got it as right as he wanted to. Your to sensitive...

There was a legendary director of training that had this to say about extra sims:
"Why should we give anyone extra sims? If you cook a cheap cut of meat longer it doesn't make it taste any better."

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