I'm confused. American Eagle makes good sweaters and jeans. Who is this "RAH" , is that a RAlpH Lauren wannabe?

Heck I think this "profession" is a joke, and I've been living it for over 20 yrs. The suits and bean counters have made it so that no one wants in, and they STILL think we're paid too much.

Why should they. If it's to raise pilot compensation that's not the way it works. If pilots don't like how much they are paid they know where to find the door. Mass exodus of pilots do to poor wages leads to results. Anything else, well you know the rest...........

Yeah that would work. Who's organizing it? Forget it sir. They hold all the cards.

Yawn. Come on guy, I even gave you a winkey face to make it all better.

No need to organize pilots should make their own decisions the first officers at Endeavor sure have. They are jumping off faster than rats off a sinking ship.

There is a shortage of pilots at the regional level and they still want concessions. Guys are leaving, for some reason management doesn't think supply and demand applies to this industry though.

Well management is asking for concessions as a way to get flying from the majors but if you can't staff the flying then it's a moot point. Don't work at a regional that doesn't pay you what you think is fair. If you work there do your level best because you have agreed with that company that the compensation is right. When supply truly falls short of demand the regional airlines will be forced into raising compensation.

Not entirely correct.
The few senior pilots were very good at scaring the younger ones into voting yes. Coupled with the FACT that our MEC said specifically that Airways would close down PSA unless a yes vote.
Now it's eagles turn. Enjoy the games.
PSA is having a heck if a time trying to staff the current airframes. There is no way they can find 400 additional pilots. Management has degraded this industry so much and it's showing. What I don't get is that they want even more. They just don't get it.

I'm pretty confident it won't even get to a pilot vote unless something drastically changes in the proposal. They threatened to shut us down also by the way.

I wish I was so optimistic. I can easily seeing it going to the pilots.

I'm usually pessimistic but if you look at our situation I don't see it going to a vote. Morale is incredibly low and I know talk is cheap but I have yet to talk to anyone who has had anything positive to say about the proposal let alone say they'd vote for it. The reps have sent out emails stating that they've received an incredible amount of feedback, which tells me the pilot group is active and angry. Usually only the minority write their reps but if we're seeing high turnout it probably means people writing against the proposal. All this coupled with the fact the senior pilots have an escape hatch to AA and the junior guys are leaving anyway.

I think AAG will not get the response they were expecting or looking for.

ORD and GSW want it to go to pilot vote. I think the hinge is on the MIA reps.

From what I'm hearing GSW will vote no, it actually hurts those guys really hard.

Who said ORD want it to go to a pilot vote? If the Reps of ORD vote to sent it to a pilot vote they will be gone. ORD is very much active and paying close attention to their reps.

According to our union reps this is exactly what they are hearing from us and EXJ MEC as well as their management didn't expect their response to the TA. Hope it's not all talk and no show. The EXJ current TA is better than AE current contract so even if they vote it in the AE pilots will not be out into a bad position. RAH is supposed to have a TA soon but everyone is awaiting for the EXJ TA. Well AE management wants it before then since they also know the response at EXJ has been very negative and RAH will drop a TA sometime in the next few weeks.

The ORD reps are spineless, remember those are the clowns who voted to send the last one to the pilots.

Now is the time to hold the line guys! We have to drag our feet at least until RAH gets their TA.

I don't see how the fear tactic of " Comaired " or shutdown will hold up. Go ahead and do it and I will collect unemployment for 2 years at about double the salary I am currently making

What state pays that well in unemployment?

ord reps should be told in clear english, that if they vote for it to go to the pilots then they are simply for the ta and that they are spineless useless pri cks and there names will be made known to on every forum. there position they chose to run for is a public position not a private one. and there names and actions against pilot wishes (but totally inline with alpa national) will be made public to all on every forum.

Not in 2014, you won't.

What is really sad is the management will get what they want either way...either they will close the doors and get cheap feed and staff the planes with experienced former eagle pilots or eagle pilots with vote in a contract and become the cheap feed. Eagle pilots it is a very tough situation you all are in I have a lot of people I know at the airline and only hope good things in the future. I am a praying man and really hope no matter what everyone is able to take care of themselves and there families.

I don't think you'll see as many former Eagle pilots go to other regionals as you might thing. We've lost quite a few senior FOs and junior CAs to LLCs and guys are flowing to AA. It will be a small percentage of us stuck when all is said and done.

Does the furlough clause currently in effect have any teeth?

let me put my teeth back in, the answer is NO.

I was against the furlough protection and wanted guaranteed flying instead. The majority spoke and now we have it along with all the other crap. With that said I have been asking all of those that say it's worthless to tell me the difference in worth and having any teeth between the furlough protection and their flow proposal and 60 airplane guarantee. If you can't trust the furlough protection then you can't trust their other offers either.

We are being threatened with a Comair scenario, they would continue to flow guys and park/transfer airplanes as they shrink the airline until they can get it small enough to close the doors. Management told the union that they are not afraid to give more airplanes to Mesa as they own a 20% stake there and that PDT is a hungry pilot group willing to help them as their airplanes are phased out. They won't shut it down over night but will likely take 4-5 heard to close the doors. It actually doesn't matter as they are inky guaranteeing 60 airplanes, so basically 700 pilots and 350 CA spots. Either way people need to understand that they will shrink us as regionals shrink. Mesa is growing today but that might not be the case in a few years we have all seen this game play out.

what what said is true.

I mentioned this scenario few months back. They will park 140-145's starting JAN. Everyone bashed me because Danny G. sent a glorified letter saying that those planes will stay longer,( he had to raise moral)

But in the end he lied again, and the group fell for it. There are no pilots to fly those airplanes and they knew it all along.

Good Luck.

They are looking for more instructors at the schoolhouse not because they can't keep up with new hires flooding the building, or upgrades, but more so for the Massive displacements that will happen once they start parking ERJ's and moving CRJ's from ORD to other bases.

But all is good.

Those CRJs are probably going elsewhere.

Not yet according to my source.

You're the only one spouting that one.

Everyone bashes you because you are an insufferable, worthless troll. But your useless flame baits are also a good reason.

Supply and demand applies to this industry but not the way you're thinking. If a carrier no longer has the ability to provide sufficient lift another carrier will provide it. If those actions don't solve the problem the mainline carrier can and will pick and choose what route and city pairs they would like to keep or no longer serve. Raising revenues for any business is generally for the operations of the business and not for the benefit of employees.