How is FAR 117 (the new rest rules) going?
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 366
Anyone understand this:
§ 117.19 Flight duty period extensions.
(a) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise prior to takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the certificate holder may extend the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part up to 2 hours. The pilot in command and the certificate holder may also extend the maximum combined flight duty period and reserve availability period limits specified in §117.21(c)(3) and (4) of this part up to 2 hours.
Does it mean we have to agree to an extension?
§ 117.19 Flight duty period extensions.
(a) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise prior to takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the certificate holder may extend the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part up to 2 hours. The pilot in command and the certificate holder may also extend the maximum combined flight duty period and reserve availability period limits specified in §117.21(c)(3) and (4) of this part up to 2 hours.
Does it mean we have to agree to an extension?
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 171
Anyone understand this:
§ 117.19 Flight duty period extensions.
(a) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise prior to takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the certificate holder may extend the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part up to 2 hours. The pilot in command and the certificate holder may also extend the maximum combined flight duty period and reserve availability period limits specified in §117.21(c)(3) and (4) of this part up to 2 hours
Does it mean we have to agree to an extension?
§ 117.19 Flight duty period extensions.
(a) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise prior to takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the certificate holder may extend the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part up to 2 hours. The pilot in command and the certificate holder may also extend the maximum combined flight duty period and reserve availability period limits specified in §117.21(c)(3) and (4) of this part up to 2 hours
Does it mean we have to agree to an extension?
#34
Anyone understand this:
§ 117.19 Flight duty period extensions.
(a) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise prior to takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the certificate holder may extend the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part up to 2 hours. The pilot in command and the certificate holder may also extend the maximum combined flight duty period and reserve availability period limits specified in §117.21(c)(3) and (4) of this part up to 2 hours.
Does it mean we have to agree to an extension?
§ 117.19 Flight duty period extensions.
(a) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise prior to takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the certificate holder may extend the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part up to 2 hours. The pilot in command and the certificate holder may also extend the maximum combined flight duty period and reserve availability period limits specified in §117.21(c)(3) and (4) of this part up to 2 hours.
Does it mean we have to agree to an extension?
#35
What really irks me is that the airlines have had 2 whole years to prepare for this, yet they act like it has caught them by surprise. They've had plenty of time to be ready, yet they seem to have done little to nothing to implement it smoothly.
#36
"JetBlue flights have been severely delayed or canceled since Friday due to weather impacts on the East Coast and in the Midwest as well as new Federal Aviation Administration guidelines about how much rest pilots must now have."
...and so it begins.
Expect to hear this language appended to each and every airline generated statement regarding degradation of service, regardless of cause.
JetBlue To Halt All Flights To And From Boston, NY, NJ « CBS Boston
...and so it begins.
Expect to hear this language appended to each and every airline generated statement regarding degradation of service, regardless of cause.
JetBlue To Halt All Flights To And From Boston, NY, NJ « CBS Boston
#37
"JetBlue flights have been severely delayed or canceled since Friday due to weather impacts on the East Coast and in the Midwest as well as new Federal Aviation Administration guidelines about how much rest pilots must now have."
...and so it begins.
Expect to hear this language appended to each and every airline generated statement regarding degradation of service, regardless of cause.
JetBlue To Halt All Flights To And From Boston, NY, NJ « CBS Boston
...and so it begins.
Expect to hear this language appended to each and every airline generated statement regarding degradation of service, regardless of cause.
JetBlue To Halt All Flights To And From Boston, NY, NJ « CBS Boston
#38
I agree but also look at all the incidents and accident in the last year. I am not saying that they are due to lack of rest but right now there is huge emphasis on safety and I don't see them finding discrepancies over the rest rules and then just changing them to accommodate airlines. They had 2 years and the majority waited until the Jan to implement 117. Just like the new ATP requirements, meanwhile airlines are asking for concessions from their pilots and wonder why they don't have enough... Ohh did I mention record profits, airline management might get a swift kick in the junk if they allow foreign carriers to come into the US. The tide is turning and we need to use it for our advantage.
#39
Fact of the matter is that the FAA dragged its feet. The airlines have been trying to get ready for the past 2 years. The FAA was very slow to put out its FAQ's and clarifications on the rules. Just recently they decided that everyone would start at 0 on the 4th at 0001am prior than a few months ago they said you had to comply with the look back. Sabre was programmed for the look back starting on the 4th so for us at VX it created many exceptions in saber and they all have to be processed manually. So I am sure some airlines did drop the ball but I would say most were waiting on the feds.
#40
I can't see any relief ever given on these new regs. It's kind of hard to justify taking back years of data driven by scientific studies on fatigue etc. 330 million people in this country and all but about 6 of them don't fly on a regular basis. You can bet your butt the media would have a field day with any motion to change the language to favor the airlines. It took how long to implement it? I can only imagine how long it would take to amend it. By then, any airline that can't hack it will be out of business anyways.
One day all pilots will wake up from living like zombies under this veil of chronic fatigue and wonder where all those years went. Such a blur when you think about it. Being subject to the lifestyle of pre 117 had to have some long term effects. Just wait for the smoke to clear. It will be nice.
One day all pilots will wake up from living like zombies under this veil of chronic fatigue and wonder where all those years went. Such a blur when you think about it. Being subject to the lifestyle of pre 117 had to have some long term effects. Just wait for the smoke to clear. It will be nice.
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