Another ExpressJet Question
 

Does anyone know the last time ExpressJet furloughed pilots, how many and for how long?

9/11 i guess??

Past history is no guarantee of future performance for stuff like that.

Analyze the future on it's own merits.

I have a question. How does Express let you log flight time if you are the one in control of the aircraft? Do you get to log it pic? If you aren't typed you're always SIC correct? however if you have your type are you able to log PIC if you flew the leg?

From what I understand under the new agreement that exists ExpressJet will have 25% of their flying taken from them in February by Chataqua how can they possibly say they wont furlough! and how can expressjet guys not be worried about it????

The PIC in 121 is the person who is designated on the release as the captain, regardless of who flys the leg. This only comes into play if two captains are assigned to fly together...one will be the PIC(the most senior), the other will serve as FO and log SIC.

An SIC typed FO can only log SIC time in 121 ops. In order to fly as PIC you would need to complete the company's 121 captain training for that aircraft...a generic PIC type rating (say from flight safety) is not enough.

An FO who were to acquire a PIC type on his own dime could theoretically log PIC on part 91 repositioning legs, if the company and the captain agreed to it...but good luck with that :rolleyes:

That's what I keep saying. Maybe they know something we don't...

Isn't that why the corporate division was formed?

OK folks...

Yes, 69 airplanes in XJT's fleet will no longer be flown for Continental under the capacity purchase agreement. Just because those airplanes aren't working for CAL does not mean they are going to fall off the face of the planet. As it stands now, 15 are going to be doing corporate charter work (we have been told the contracts are already inked but we haven't been told by who). They haven't said specifically what the rest of the airplanes will be doing but they DID unveil the ExpressJet Airlines paint scheme and most of us suspect branded point-to-point flying. To the best of my knowledge we are still in the running for the Midwest Airlines flying but not much has been said about that lately. So no, the general feeling is that we are not worried.

Expressjet has a plan I am sure if they told the world it could affect stock prices and such.. I must say tho it seems as if everyone at express is Very Happy and that says alot for a company

Higher Prozac intake than the other guys?

Not at all.

We have great captain attrition. A healthy contract that was just extended giving pilots and management some stability for years to come.

No one knows what is coming, all I can tell you is that hiring has been steadily INCREASING over the last months. The question is why???

-Has attrition increased? Maybe marginally.
-Has amount of aircraft increased? No
-Has block hours increased on aircraft we operate for CAL? Yes
-Will aircraft removed from CAL service be flying for XJT in Q1 '07? Yes...lines are already out.

What has caused us to go from 64 new hires per month to over 100 for Jan and beyond??? Your guess is as good as mine....

Just stating facts from the very busy training center.

Yes it would effect stock prices. Their stock is down 20% since CAL gave notice and down 50% from its all time high.

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:rolleyes:

what airline isn't down 40-50% from their all time high right now??? you need to look at the most resent trend.

XJT's stock closed at 8.71 that is the highest price it has been in 2006. it has almost doubled since Jun/Jul '06. I personaly feel that there is alot of stuff in the works with XJT and i feel they will make the most out of this.


so yes it is effecting the stock prices. in a good way.

Yes that is true. I was discounting 9/11 and looking at when XJT went public since 2003. That was the time frame I was looking at. Remember XJT wasn't around for 9/11, so why compare where the other airlines were prior to 9/11? I'm talking a 3-5 year trend here.

Well if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. I don't see it that way, and I don't believe wall street does either. You're looking at a 6-month trend while I am looking at a longer term trend. Wall street/investors didn't like the CAL RFP results.

We furloughed after 9/11 only because CAL sent all their pilots down to us. It was part of the flow threw agreement that was canceled by CAL in June of 01 and then it was set back up after 9/11 ( thank you ALPA ) so that the CAL pilots could come back to Express and have jobs. Our pilots were on furlough for about 2 years.

Hopefully we will start furloughing again early next year to make everyone at the other regionals happy. It would greatly help everyone elses contracts if we go the same path as Comair and Masaba.

You have to remember that CAL created a fake company in 2002. That company was, is, Express Jet. We were gaurenteed all kinds of profits, we were the only airline allowed to fly as CAL regional airline, and we didn't have to pay for gas. ExpressJet could never have a loss financially per the rules set up by CAL when we were IPO'd. So the stock could be sold for more than is possible now. After CAL made tons of money off of the sale of our stock ( which they funded there pilots pensions with ) they have slowly changed all of the rules which from when we were started. So obviously our stock is going to be down and I will imagine it will continue to go down, though it has roughly been the same for 3 years now give or take 2 dollars.

As a former Pan Am pilot told never buy airline stock it is all worhtless.

Exactly, this is all I am saying. The value of the company has gone down in investors eyes. People are trying to fight it on here, but it's just the way it is.

Eastshore Holdings, the investment arm of AWAC, has made about half a billion on LCC in the past year. Not bad.

So I guess you guys are due for a huge raise soon. You guys better raise the bar and put it really high.

But don't forget all good things come to an end. ( Pan Am, Eastern, United, Delta, AWAC?)

We get our current rates recalculated in 2008 + 3% of industry, not to mention the yearly 1.5% COLA (laughable, but something).

I'm glad you are here to explain this kind of stuff to people. (is the captain the pic:rolleyes: ) are you kidding me?...these are the little "extra" things that you learn at an aviation university (at least mine). so i'm glad you and this forum are here to supplement peoples knowledge database, instead of educational institutions. as long as you don't mind answering these kind of questions...keep on bashing aviation colleges.

I thought the 1.5% was industry standard.:D I'm not sure what we got on the crap extension that we voted in, but probably the same.

Sweet! I'm the first to say it!! TOOL!!!!

Sadly, I think 0% is industry standard. :(

So who do you work for??? How many hrs do you have? Just because you know the answer to one doesn't mean you know it all. I'm sure I could bust you a few things pretty easily. I didn't ask if the captain was PIC the entire time. I asked if a typed SIC could be PIC when flying the leg. Part 121 has different rules that I am unaware of. I don't really know why UND would be wasting their time teaching 121 regs. It will only be a few years before you're ready to be there. That's if you didn't go 135....

Don't forget TD, you were the one that called airline pilots "idiots" for spending money on baggage.

I most certainly did not. I called a $20k income regional pilot an idiot for wanting to drop $300 on A bag. I'll stand by that statement. I'll state it again. You are an idiot if you spend 2% of your yearly income on a bag when you could get one for 1/3rd the price that does the same thing. Good quality and all. I paid $40, have had it 8yrs, traveled all over the world, and it's still in great condition. It can last 2yrs at a regional.

What does that have to do with any of this anyway? Are you implying that your college taught you to spend $300 on a bag? I know that would be completely stupid, however, that's the only reason your statement would have any relevance here.

Lets see if we can work this out with just good ol' part 91... You have to be rated in the aircraft to log PIC, correct? You need a type rating to act as PIC in a turbojet powered aircraft, correct? If you have an SIC type, how would that make you qualified to act as the PIC? Seems like basic regs 101 to me...

The question was if you were type rated in the aircraft to act as PIC but you were an FO. How would the question have had any relevance if it was about a typed for SIC only. A little thinking on your part might be required before spitting out an answer. In 91 operations when you fly the leg you can log it PIC even if you are the FO. I did not know about 121. Before saying something completely random and useless why don't you read the original post.

Group the words together to make sentences. Read left to right. Tylenol for headaches, Mydol for cramps. Seems like a reasonable question for someone who hasn't flown 121. Rickair777 answered the question quite efficiently and easily. He answered it completely. Apparently he understood what I was saying quite easily. If you did not... well.... someone's special.

Sorry TD, didn't realize you were going to run out and get your ERJ type... :rolleyes: Disregard my stupidity

I didn't realize that either... Asking a question means I'm going to go toss down a few thousand to get one? I was curious. As I've stated i haven't worked 121 before. I didn't know if you had your type once you were through training or not. The question was about logging time. Once again I'd like to have you read the original post i made. The last one didn't seem to drive that point home. As of right now your stupidity is hard to disregard.:p

I read your original post and I still think it is ridiculous but I guess I can't fault you for asking the question. But I have to wonder WHY you asked the question if you are not typed...

Well then, I guess you in your little CFI world has got every little facet of this career figured out already, eh?

Question for ou there Mr CFI. In all these years of you vast expereince of traveling the globe, how much actual use did you bag ACTUALLY get? Did it get dragged, opened up, unpacked, repacked, tossed in and out of baggage compartments, slammed into the back of the hotel van, ect on average of 15 days a month?

I guess I'll tell you again, I must be an idiot for spending that kind of money on a bag that is still going strong after 6+ years of airline flying.

I'm usually not the condescending type, but I'll give it a shot here. It's great that you are grunting it out an instructing and all. But guess what, myself and alot of other people have already been there, done that.

If you actually want an airline job, just wait. When your bag gets tossed in the back on dead heads and commuted or dragged across the ramp through snow, sand, glycol, whatever, see if it's still hanging in there.

Oops, I forgot, I'm talking to an expert who already knows everything about this career, even the little stuff. Sorry. Maybe next time I have a question about my career or how to bid, ect, I'll just ask you since you are so knowledgeable.

If you are considering buying a type, YOU ARE AN IDIOT, PERIOD. Sorry, that one is not up for debate.

Hey freezing - where does it say in part 91 you have to be rated to log PIC? ;)

Airnet SIC's log PIC when they are sole manipulator of the controls. I would say yes, it is TECHNICALLY legal to log PIC if you have a PIC type in the plane and an ATP, however I doubt anyone of significance would allow you to count the time toward your 1000 TPIC requirement at the majors.

This is why you often see this statement below:
Thoughts?

Under part 91 if you are rated in the plane you can log the time as PIC. So if you were flying a Citation and had your type in the plane and ATP and the aircraft is operated in part 91 you can log it as PIC when you are the sole minipulator of the controls.

As for part 121 well no you can't. As was answered by some one else for the reasons why.

Seriously, point out the reg in part 91. I want to see a reference.

Added: There is nothing preventing a sole manipulator, as long as they are qualified in the aircraft, from logging the time spent actively flying the plane as PIC. You can do the same thing in part 135 (SIC's logging PIC). It's just not a generally accepted column of flight time.

I don't know where it is in there. I quit reading the FAR/AIM 7 years ago. Just something I remember from flight instructing and talking with people that are typed in a corporate aircraft that log time as both PIC and SIC.

Sorry for no hard facts. Let me have it!

Point being there is nothing in part 91. Freezing should have known it's actually in part 61. So is the bit about sole manipulator logging of PIC. It's legit, just not "kosher".

That is correct. It is part 61.51 (e) and 61.58.

Last time I checked a Baron doesn't require a type rating... Are the lears that airnet flies certified for single-pilot? I don't know. For sure they require a type rating to log PIC because they are turbojets, regardless of what part they are operated under.

Heres the reg Fosters. My apologies, its in part 61, not 91, sue me :rolleyes:

61.51(e) Logging Pilot-in-Command Flight Time
(1) A sport, recreational, private or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person--
(i)is the sole manipulator of the controls for an aircraft which that person is rated or has priveleges;
(ii)is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or
(iii)is acting as pilot-in-command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certificate of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted
(2) An airline transport pilot may log as pilot-in-command time all of the flight time while acting as pilot-in-command of an operation requiring a airline transport pilot certificate.