ALPA: "Don't blame us!"
01-23-2014, 04:03 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Snarge
Mainline pilots need to correct the mess they created by selling off scope... YES!
Personally, I think as the regionals become less market viable, Regional ALPA pilots should come to Alaska, DAL and UAL with longevity credit, probably a ratio, but new hire seniority, with preferential interviews. Meaning for bidding you start at the bottom, but for pay you start at third, maybe fifth year pay. (whatever is negotiated) DREAM ON
Of course Non-ALPA regional pilots including Skywest, can apply and interview, without preference and if hired start at new hire seniority and longevity. HAHA....ahhhhh NOPE!
Membership has its benefits.
Personally, I think as the regionals become less market viable, Regional ALPA pilots should come to Alaska, DAL and UAL with longevity credit, probably a ratio, but new hire seniority, with preferential interviews. Meaning for bidding you start at the bottom, but for pay you start at third, maybe fifth year pay. (whatever is negotiated) DREAM ON
Of course Non-ALPA regional pilots including Skywest, can apply and interview, without preference and if hired start at new hire seniority and longevity. HAHA....ahhhhh NOPE!
Membership has its benefits.
01-23-2014, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne
Just hope this nightmare of the proliferation of the RJ is almost over.
01-23-2014, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Farmlover
....... now can I please get a wind check?
01-23-2014, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne
I think every pilot at a major carrier that pays ALPA dues would wholeheartedly support you guys leaving ALPA. We have subsidized your MEC's for a long time while you were handed flying from our companies. Didn't hear too much complaining on your collective be halves as you readily added new cities and aircraft to the detriment of the mainline pilots. So please by all means: you're cleared for takeoff.
01-23-2014, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne
Is this too soon?
Yes I did. I saw it as a fools bet. The big problem was how it was sold versus how it was implemented. We were told by ALPA and the company they would be to add frequency versus wholesale market substitutes.
The RJ pilots have the carcasses of former regional carriers laying to see that there is always a lower bidder. ACA and COMAIR are only two of the biggest casualties.
The regional companies know they can shutdown one entity and those pilots are all out looking for new jobs somewhere else. The fact these carriers don't have a brand or customer base means another carrier can do their job. It might take a few months of pain on the major carriers behalf but it can be done. With the 50 seater dying and better major scope clauses these pilot groups are going to feel a pinch. They want our profits, yet their company negotiates a FFD. just as when the majors were losing money they were paid the same. When they have no risk they shouldn't get any reward.
Just hope this nightmare of the proliferation of the RJ is almost over.
Yes I did. I saw it as a fools bet. The big problem was how it was sold versus how it was implemented. We were told by ALPA and the company they would be to add frequency versus wholesale market substitutes.
The RJ pilots have the carcasses of former regional carriers laying to see that there is always a lower bidder. ACA and COMAIR are only two of the biggest casualties.
The regional companies know they can shutdown one entity and those pilots are all out looking for new jobs somewhere else. The fact these carriers don't have a brand or customer base means another carrier can do their job. It might take a few months of pain on the major carriers behalf but it can be done. With the 50 seater dying and better major scope clauses these pilot groups are going to feel a pinch. They want our profits, yet their company negotiates a FFD. just as when the majors were losing money they were paid the same. When they have no risk they shouldn't get any reward.
Just hope this nightmare of the proliferation of the RJ is almost over.
You managed to come into a REGIONAL pilot subforum and make yourself look like a complete tool in just one page. That took shyguy weeks to cultivate.
And when you speak of YOUR profits... do you mean your profit sharing check that came off the back of my reduced wages from a manufactured BK-induced TA?
Lemme guess, you're the type who lectures regional pilots while riding their jumpseat, and comes to the flight deck to complain about something you saw while riding a regional airliner on your way to work.
Please retire so that I can move up to mainline. The "real" pilots such as yourself screw up more clearances and radio calls than I ever imagined possible, so it's obviously time for you to move along old man.
You are either ex-military, or you got your time in the regionals before adopting your dikhead attitude.
01-23-2014, 08:15 PM
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ALPA isn't the problem, gentlemen. The guy at the top of the organization is. Tell your reps to kick his ass out in October. Get this back to being a union instead of a lapdog for the A4A.
01-23-2014, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
ALPA isn't the problem, gentlemen. The guy at the top of the organization is. Tell your reps to kick his ass out in October. Get this back to being a union instead of a lapdog for the A4A.
01-23-2014, 08:58 PM
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Someone tell me what benefit is there to sticking with ALPA vs creating a strictly regional airline union?
ALPA has a conflict of interest representing mainline pilots when it comes to fighting for improved regional wages.
ALPA has shown no interest in lifting the regional industry as a whole. It has left each pilot group to fight independently. Local control is great in theory, but when you get stuck in the whipsaw you need some form of national strategy to keep pilot groups from getting picked off one by one. (Like you see now with pattern contacts)
You have to keep the heard together otherwise the lions will tear you apart one by one. Company management scatters the various pilot groups and you are left with the mentality that you only have to run faster than the guy next you (or bid lower) to save your job.
Isn't that what a union is supposed to prevent? How is ALPA unifying the regional pilot groups to prevent this death spiral?
So what is ALPA's strategy to improve the regional industry?
.......?
ALPA has a conflict of interest representing mainline pilots when it comes to fighting for improved regional wages.
ALPA has shown no interest in lifting the regional industry as a whole. It has left each pilot group to fight independently. Local control is great in theory, but when you get stuck in the whipsaw you need some form of national strategy to keep pilot groups from getting picked off one by one. (Like you see now with pattern contacts)
You have to keep the heard together otherwise the lions will tear you apart one by one. Company management scatters the various pilot groups and you are left with the mentality that you only have to run faster than the guy next you (or bid lower) to save your job.
Isn't that what a union is supposed to prevent? How is ALPA unifying the regional pilot groups to prevent this death spiral?
So what is ALPA's strategy to improve the regional industry?
.......?
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