ALPA Capt Lee Moak Video - Whatever!!!
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRBgvALJdZQ&feature=youtu.be

This video just sent me over the edge. To me it sounds like ALPA is getting a little worried of losing their regional pilot dues.

I say screw 'em, push for quality equal pay in the regional ranks or strike! ALL OF US. US regionals currently have over 50% of the lift in the U.S.

We better get moving before we don't have that much power anymore.

Sorry rant over...just tired of hearing so many lies! I may sound totally ridiculous, but I just needed to get that off my chest. Hopefully it had merit.

Wish we could strike…unfortunately because of the RLA, I doubt that will ever be a possibility.

Come on guys!#@! Read through your prompter a few times before taping, you'll sound like less of a dork. You're losing an important message to half hearted production quality.

Say we do strike....all of us at the regionals, as one (highly unlikely, but lets think about it.) Per the RLA, they fire us all...and the replacements will come from...where?? We have quite a bit of leverage these days I think, if we would just unite.

I just got the email, and wondered what the reaction was on the forums.

I like what Capt Moak spoke about at around 4:37 where he says ALPA will "call on airline brands to take more responsibility for their carriers." Heck yes!! Of course we need action, not just words, so we will see.

I am also interested in what the ALPA regional meeting will accomplish, I believe next week. I missed at what time in the video that was. I believe Capt Bill Couette spoke about that. Gotta go take of the kid now...!

Pie in the sky unless Moak is using PAC money to affect that change in DC. NO WAY any pilot group is going to expend negotiating capitol (nor should they) to contractually mandate that the parent "airline brands take more responsibility for their carriers." What does even mean?

If it's going to happen, it's an executive task, and Moak needs to look himself in the mirror and then go do his job as the figurehead of ALPA.

Re: ALPA vid
 

D*mn dude someone needs some Fixodent. :D

And his next line about enlisting the National Mediation Board... Right... Like they'll ever do anything to help labor! :rolleyes:

There is no way...NO WAY that ALPA puts out this video if there is no truth in some of the accusations being made against them. Historically political organizations including unions don't respond to "no confidence" movements without at least some elements driving such being true. Plausible deniability is their game..poor ALPA.

Re: video
 

How about:

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:D

Damn right, i think they are feeling the pressure.

The question is will the pilots at regionals fall for their feeble attempt to make it look like they are concerned about regional pilots ?

They're saps if they do. Moak's letter to Eagle pilots months ago is more truthful about where they stand than this smoke job. Now that several regionals pilot groups have abandoned the interests of national and made them essentially irrelevant to their chums in airline management, they have to go to a full-court press to try and reel the regional pilots back in. If the new Envoy pilots shoot down their ALPA contrived garbage agreement, it will make it a clean sweep.

You mean some Fiksshodent?

And that's why you fail. Not the RLA, the unwillingness to do what it takes. Do you think the first workers ever to unionize weren't threatened with going to jail and worse? And some of these things did happen due to the chaos back then, but that's what it took to get them decent working conditions. They didn't just meet one day and shake hands and end up with livable conditions and wages...

Unions only care about keeping the Union going and collecting dues. They sit in so called negotiations knowing they have little to no power. Then pass crap contracts down saying they did their best blah blah blah. Then, pretend to go through the motions expecting that pilots (who typically are of above average intelligence) won't figure out their game. To top it all off they steal what little money we make out of our paychecks. Why not have a "performance based" Union Due!?

Looks like US Air, Southwest, Jet Blue, and hopefully Delta have figured it out and now have or will have Pilot led groups. Only line pilots know what's best for their specific pilot group.

Sounds like the next big vote should be for Pilot group leaders and structure. Followed closely by a +80% vote of NO CONFIDENCE for ALPA.

But, what do I know. I'm just a lowly regional pilot who qualifies for food stamps....I'm sorry a SNAP card. (Because food stamps was just too harsh a word according to the PC police)

-Stepping off soapbox now-

I can't believe PCL hasn't shown up yet to tell you what a stupid waste of money fighting ALPA would be. (Only reinforcing the fact that ALPA is worried).

They are worried. It's very evident. This video only proves the serious context of their concerns. Alpa has been working for the major pilots for some time and just expecting regional pilots to fall in line. Too much stagnation has forced people into long careers at the regionals. The largest regional in the country, a huge contributor to the war chest is telling you aren't representing us fairly. The "Screw the regional guys it's just a short term stop" plan is failing them. We are sick of our B scale wages and continued whipsaw.

It all falls on the pilots of eagle now. The XJT/ASA pilots have taken the lead for you. If you accept your agreement this the race to the bottom continues. If you don't, we draw a line in the sand. This crap will stop. I think there comes a time in a persons life where they have to look themselves in the eye, and say that the decision they are about to make is bigger then just themself. It's about the future of the profession and the pilots that will follow. Anyways, interpret it how you want.

Well said!!!! Eagle, I know you can do it....Vote NO!!!!

Ya! Vote no!

I don't know who you work for but I have taken a stand along with 83% of my pilot group to do what is right for the whole profession. Not just for us but for whoever might come after us and those that are presently in this industry. So can you reiterate how I have failed so far?

Yeah. Great union. Nevermind that many of us with kids qualify for welfare. Keep up the good work.

What a joke! I had an ALPA card burning ceremony in my driveway after my last flight at Comair! A year to the day we ended I had to sign my ALPA paperwork at another ALPA represented regional! Felt so wrong and dirty! Kicking myself for giving this career one more chance!

I think ALPA is trying to save face after having their way with the regionals! Hope this is a good sign. Wish you the best at Expressjet and Eagle! Hopefully you guys can set a new tone in the regionals! Way overdue these days!

THIS !

It appears that ALPA has seen the wave it has been instrumental in creating and is now trying to get to the front of it.
Pathetic.

Was that guy struggling to keep dentures in his mouth?

They needed to read through the script a few times to practice, and dude needed to SPIT!

I believe Jamesnobrakes was referring to your previous comment:

Ultimately, pilots will need to go a few steps further than casting a ballot if they want to see this profession restored. Until they understand that, they have failed.

Unfortunately certain carriers are not able to do even that (cast a ballot) so how do you propose for the same people to also go to jail with you?

My mistake, I thought things were bad. Must not be yet.

Well if the Union is afraid of jail, maybe we need to have a gang instead?

http://horrorcultfilms.co.uk/wp-cont...3/03/gangs.jpg

The guy in the vest might be Bucking Bar.

Must not be because you won't find many people that will be willing to go to jail for this. I think we are agreeing on the same thing but just phrasing it differently. I am all for taking a stand and fighting for what is right but just as I am wiling to do that I can guarantee a lot more people who won't. Like I have said before, if pilots are unwilling to take a stand on a TA that was produced then you should expect them not to also stand beside you on this fight. By the way, who do you work for?

ross, I see where you're coming from...it is unfortunate that pilots cannot come together and fight what is happening. Perhaps things need to get worse before the pushing back begins. It appears that more and more pilots are at least willing to speak out, and perhaps that's a good start.

Is anyone on this thread doing anything to have ALPA removed from their property? Anyone taking the necessary steps to start a new union that solely represents the interests of regional airlines? Certainly there are enough guys posting on this thread to get a new union started? You guys should all PM each other with names and phone numbers and lay the foundation for a new union and show ALPA how it's done.