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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 1572263)
No worries. With all the retirements kicking in and Delta, United, SW, Spirit, etc. hiring, then there will be a place for you to go even if AA blacklists you.
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
(Post 1572455)
Originally Posted by SkylineAviation
(Post 1571924)
You think I'm advocating this contract, or think I agree? I'm simply putting out information that came directly from the shot callers.
I think the whole thing stinks but at the same time everyone needs to be well informed. You can not deny that management has fiduciary responsibility. If not they go to jail (i.e. Enron). And yes, they prey on that but it's not only limited to airlines, it's corporate america. Vote yes, vote no...make a move and stick to it. But at least know the facts in a rational way. Try to think as others around you do and then you can know others motives and next move. It's a great negotiating tactic that management has mastered and we're just trying to play catch-up. What are you smoking? No management on the planet has ever gone to jail "(i.e. Enron)" for not forcing paycuts down their employees throats! Seriously, fiduciary duty to cut the pay of employees of a hugely profitable company with multiple billions in the bank???:rolleyes: The Enron debacle had NOTHING to do with paycuts for employees...:confused: |
I got crickets last time I asked this:
Would all you pilots telling Eagle to "stand strong" be willing to give longevity for bidding AT YOUR COMPANY to any Eagle pilot furloughed in the case that they vote no and AA comes through on their promise of a wind down? What about 50% longevity? |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1572552)
I got crickets last time I asked this:
Would all you pilots telling Eagle to "stand strong" be willing to give longevity for bidding AT YOUR COMPANY to any Eagle pilot furloughed in the case that they vote no and AA comes through on their promise of a wind down? What about 50% longevity? |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1572552)
I got crickets last time I asked this:
Would all you pilots telling Eagle to "stand strong" be willing to give longevity for bidding AT YOUR COMPANY to any Eagle pilot furloughed in the case that they vote no and AA comes through on their promise of a wind down? What about 50% longevity? And yes we've been threatened too. We've been told over and over from mgt and alpa exactly when the leases on our aircraft are up. CRJ and ERJ. We were also told that they would bid on no more rfp's if the TA was voted down. |
Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron
(Post 1572559)
Why would I do that? Nobody gave us at XJT that option when 83% of us told mgt what they could do with their crappy Ta they offered us.
And yes we've been threatened too. We've been told over and over from mgt and alpa exactly when the leases on our aircraft are up. CRJ and ERJ. We were also told that they would bid on no more rfp's if the TA was voted down. Yes, XJT voted no, and that is commendable to say the least. My opinion is that Eagle, PSA, and probably very soon Piedmont are in a worse position due to being wholly owned. The threat of a shutdown is a little more empty when it comes to XJT. Asking another pilot group to "fall on their sword" without giving them an "out" is just as selfish as voting yes. |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1572595)
It just goes towards my point that everyone is all harda$$ when its another company but when it affects "you" then its a different story.
Yes, XJT voted no, and that is commendable to say the least. My opinion is that Eagle, PSA, and probably very soon Piedmont are in a worse position due to being wholly owned. The threat of a shutdown is a little more empty when it comes to XJT. Asking another pilot group to "fall on their sword" without giving them an "out" is just as selfish as voting yes. You need to make decisions for yourself, stand up on your own 2 feet and make your own path. Asking for a safety net like that from another carrier is absurd. Each carrier is different. You need to decide for yourself what you believe would/could happen depending on how the vote goes. They may have the plan to wind you down in the next x number of years no matter now you vote. So you can stay with your current QOL or take x % cuts and still not know the future. There are numerous possibilities that could happen. |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1572552)
I got crickets last time I asked this:
Would all you pilots telling Eagle to "stand strong" be willing to give longevity for bidding AT YOUR COMPANY to any Eagle pilot furloughed in the case that they vote no and AA comes through on their promise of a wind down? What about 50% longevity? I think the regionals will be hurting so bad in a couple years that it won't come to fruition. Just my two cents. |
Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron
(Post 1572559)
Why would I do that? Nobody gave us at XJT that option when 83% of us told mgt what they could do with their crappy Ta they offered us.
And yes we've been threatened too. We've been told over and over from mgt and alpa exactly when the leases on our aircraft are up. CRJ and ERJ. We were also told that they would bid on no more rfp's if the TA was voted down. I see United is handing out a lot of RFPs lately... going to be hearing crickets not bids. Off topic slightly, but basically the same thing going on at our house. |
Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron
(Post 1572559)
We were also told that they would bid on no more rfp's if the TA was voted down. It doesn't make very good business sense to just shut down the business..... A wholly owned is a totally different animal. |
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