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colonials13 02-02-2014 01:35 PM

Struggling regional staffing = H1-B's?
 
Any thoughts on whether or not regionals will consider sponsoring H1-B's?

BlueMoon 02-02-2014 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by colonials13 (Post 1572780)
Any thoughts on whether or not regionals will consider sponsoring H1-B's?

Sure hope not. Plenty of qualified pilots are citizens of the UAS. They just need to make it financially enticing enough to lure them to work for them.

captain152 02-02-2014 01:44 PM

For those of us that aren't savvy.

What is(are) H1-B's?

higney85 02-02-2014 01:59 PM

No. That violates the entire supply and demand curve being created.

We have qualified pilots, but those willing to work for the wages provided don't match. Let the supply/demand equation be utilized. I'm not willing to speak another language in a US based cockpit. It's the ICAO language, and the only other language I know is Ebonics (I'm from Memphis..word). Supply and demand will only work when demand is commanded. Let it ride.

Shake and bake. That's my slogan on takeoff.

mooney 02-02-2014 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1572797)
No. That violates the entire supply and demand curve being created.

We have qualified pilots, but those willing to work for the wages provided don't match. Let the supply/demand equation be utilized. I'm not willing to speak another language in a US based cockpit. It's the ICAO language, and the only other language I know is Ebonics (I'm from Memphis..word). Supply and demand will only work when demand is commanded. Let it ride.

Shake and bake. That's my slogan on takeoff.

Higney, Come Bak wit yo Flagship? Who Flagship is dis? Flagship callin ops capy.

Salukipilot4590 02-02-2014 02:11 PM

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block30 02-02-2014 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1572797)
No. That violates the entire supply and demand curve being created.

We have qualified pilots, but those willing to work for the wages provided don't match. Let the supply/demand equation be utilized. I'm not willing to speak another language in a US based cockpit. It's the ICAO language, and the only other language I know is Ebonics (I'm from Memphis..word). Supply and demand will only work when demand is commanded. Let it ride.

Shake and bake. That's my slogan on takeoff.

Do you give knucks, too? :D

BizPilot 02-02-2014 02:19 PM

I believe an H1-B position is written where the applicant needs to have a bachelors or masters degree (FED gov requirement) Most regional jobs call for H.S. Major airlines may have trouble justifying a college degree requirement.

pagey 02-02-2014 02:21 PM

Jerrrrrrbs!!!

colonials13 02-02-2014 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 1572808)
I believe an H1-B position is written where the applicant needs to have a bachelors or masters degree (FED gov requirement) Most regional jobs call for H.S. Major airlines may have trouble justifying a college degree requirement.

Good point BizPilot

Flitestar 02-02-2014 03:21 PM

As of now, TSA will not clear you to get a type rating for a 121 carrier unless you are obtaining it on behalf of your foreign employer, as in like come to US, get your TR and then GTFO. You gotta be a US citizen or greencard holder in order to pull it off.

H1-B would work for applicants that would like to remain in US for a limited time while doing paid practice, flight instruction for example.

You can thank 9/11 for that...

bcpilot 02-02-2014 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by colonials13 (Post 1572780)
Any thoughts on whether or not regionals will consider sponsoring H1-B's?


Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 1572808)
I believe an H1-B position is written where the applicant needs to have a bachelors or masters degree (FED gov requirement) Most regional jobs call for H.S. Major airlines may have trouble justifying a college degree requirement.


Originally Posted by colonials13 (Post 1572815)
Good point BizPilot

I will add another most important requirement..

Not only the H1B needs a bachellors degree, H1B requires a certain minimum salary to be paid, which is at least twice the 1st year pay of the highest paying regional...

And HR5900 requires ATP mins, where in the world will you find the FO's with 1500 hrs... Almost everywhere else in the world, people go to fly the B737 or A320 with 200 or 250 hrs and a type rating...

So, the H1B for airline pilots is highly unlikely..

However, a special exclusion for foreign nationals to work as CFI's can not be ruled out in a couple of years..

So guys, pls don't vote for any concessions and hold strong... The mgmts just CAN'T replace you.. Period...

JamesNoBrakes 02-02-2014 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 1572808)
Major airlines may have trouble justifying a college degree requirement.

Or with the new ATP rules for reduced hours it's the perfect storm?

Flitestar 02-02-2014 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1572828)

However, a special exclusion for foreign nationals to work as CFI's can not be ruled out in a couple of years..

This is already in practice.

MEMbrain 02-02-2014 04:30 PM

What we need here, desperately, in the US is MPL. That will solve the regional staffing issues.

Avroman 02-02-2014 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572862)
What we need here, desperately, in the US is MPL. That will solve the regional staffing issues.

Not with the current pay and QOL being offered... Maybe if airlines did an all inclusive ab initio with 1st year FO pay and seniority starting day one of class for the MPL, with minimal commitments upon completion... then you might have something, otherwise it's simply time for FUPM

Past V1 02-02-2014 04:52 PM

Struggling regional staffing = H1-B's?
 
I'm drunk watching the superbowl!!! What the hell is H1-B?!?!?! LOL

GogglesPisano 02-02-2014 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572862)
What we need here, desperately, in the US is MPL. That will solve the regional staffing issues.

Why on earth would you want to "solve" regional staffing issues -- other than with economics. :cool:

Blackwing 02-02-2014 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 1572789)
For those of us that aren't savvy.

What is(are) H1-B's?

Foreign worker visa.

outaluckagain 02-02-2014 05:39 PM

Void
 

Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572862)
What we need here, desperately, in the US is MPL. That will solve the regional staffing issues.


Hopefully the MPL won't make our cetificates worthless.

MEMbrain 02-02-2014 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by outaluckagain (Post 1572919)
Hopefully the MPL won't make our cetificates worthless.

Yours maybe, but not mine. MPL pilots can't handle as PIC a/c such as the MD-11.

MEMbrain 02-02-2014 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1572885)
Why on earth would you want to "solve" regional staffing issues -- other than with economics. :cool:

Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

What the MAJORS need to do is have MPL candidates self-sponsor for a spot at a wholly-owned regional for a period of seasoning and mentoring by senior regional Captains who decide, or are "ineligible" to get a job at mainline. The regionals would have a stable crew force of senior permanent Captains and self-funding F/Os who will only work there for a few months of real world seasoning, before going on the their major airline right seat.

buddies8 02-02-2014 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572942)
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

What the MAJORS need to do is have MPL candidates self-sponsor for a spot at a wholly-owned regional for a period of seasoning and mentoring by senior regional Captains who decide, or are "ineligible" to get a job at mainline. The regionals would have a stable crew force of senior permanent Captains and self-funding F/Os who will only work there for a few months of real world seasoning, before going on the their major airline right seat.

mentor, you better get me 200% for pay scheduled or actual whichever is greater for anyone I fly with that falls in the category of required mentoring. aint gonna doit anyother way.

higney85 02-02-2014 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572942)
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

What the MAJORS need to do is have MPL candidates self-sponsor for a spot at a wholly-owned regional for a period of seasoning and mentoring by senior regional Captains who decide, or are "ineligible" to get a job at mainline. The regionals would have a stable crew force of senior permanent Captains and self-funding F/Os who will only work there for a few months of real world seasoning, before going on the their major airline right seat.


This idea would get lobbied in on the same bill as drones to carry the freight that supplies your paycheck. Think big picture. Making it "easier" on management means "lighter" on paychecks. That's industry ride, regardless of which union represents you or what you fly in the back.

I'm glad you are at purple and fly the -11, but the MPL was not designed to help pilots, it's a mgmt idea.

NuGuy 02-02-2014 07:04 PM

By the way, for those who don't know:

"Self-Sponsored" = "Pay for training".

We slew that dragon back in the 1990s. It took a crap load of negotiating capital to get rid of. Is NOT coming back just because some dude wants an easier deadhead.

Nu

MEMbrain 02-02-2014 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1572985)
This idea would get lobbied in on the same bill as drones to carry the freight that supplies your paycheck. Think big picture. Making it "easier" on management means "lighter" on paychecks. That's industry ride, regardless of which union represents you or what you fly in the back.

I'm glad you are at purple and fly the -11, but the MPL was not designed to help pilots, it's a mgmt idea.

Have the majors hire MPL pilots and place then at the regionals for experience. They will work for peanuts because if they play the game, they have a guaranteed right seat waiting for them at the majors.

Since they would have a seniority number at a major from day one, they would bypass hiring the current generation of regional pilots, who are made up by large numbers of "undesirables". Therefore, only the best of the best would make the cut, kinda like what the military does.

They would fly at the regional to get some time in swept wing jets and then go to their major where they would continue their seasoning under experienced Captains and would eventually become productive, contributing members of the crew.

sqwkvfr 02-02-2014 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572942)
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

What the MAJORS need to do is have MPL candidates self-sponsor for a spot at a wholly-owned regional for a period of seasoning and mentoring by senior regional Captains who decide, or are "ineligible" to get a job at mainline. The regionals would have a stable crew force of senior permanent Captains and self-funding F/Os who will only work there for a few months of real world seasoning, before going on the their major airline right seat.

You are seriously misinformed about the MPL...it is carrier-specific license that requires additional training to obtain a full ATPL or move on to another carrier. Regardless, you're gonna be hard-pressed to find anyone that will self-sponsor for a license that, should they run into politics at their airline employing regional airline, would leave them with very few options.

I think most people would have a real problem with a right-seat regional "job" being used as an evaluation period for people with very little flight time and experience, particularly when the changes as of late have been in the opposite direction.

Also, countries that have an MPL have many years of experience with the frozen ATPL...it would be a hell of a leap for the FAA to go from a 1500 hour requirement to right seat regional people with less than 200 hours....it works in the EU because upgrades take a long time, whereas regional upgrades in this country have often been less than a year.

Also, your plan depends on a retaining a cadre of senior regional captains, which is going to require vast improvements in pay and work rules at that level, which will price the regionals out of existance.

MEMbrain 02-02-2014 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1572987)
By the way, for those who don't know:

"Self-Sponsored" = "Pay for training".

We slew that dragon back in the 1990s. It took a crap load of negotiating capital to get rid of. Is NOT coming back just because some dude wants an easier deadhead.

Nu

I know many up and coming pilots who would GLADLY "self-fund" their training in exchange for a seniority number at a major.

MEMbrain 02-02-2014 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1572991)
You are seriously misinformed about the MPL...it is carrier-specific license that requires additional training to obtain a full ATPL or move on to another carrier. Regardless, you're gonna be hard-pressed to find anyone that will self-sponsor for a license that, should they run into politics at their airline employing regional airline, would leave them with very few options.

I think most people would have a real problem with a right-seat regional "job" being used as an evaluation period for people with very little flight time and experience, particularly when the changes as of late have been in the opposite direction.

Also, countries that have an MPL have many years of experience with the frozen ATPL...it would be a hell of a leap for the FAA to go from a 1500 hour requirement to right seat regional people with less than 200 hours....it works in the EU because upgrades take a long time, whereas regional upgrades in this country have often been less than a year.

Also, your plan depends on a retaining a cadre of senior regional captains, which is going to require vast improvements in pay and work rules at that level, which will price the regionals out of existance.


With my plan, the MPL pilot gets a mainline seniority number from day one of training, therefore he doesn't have to worry about what happens at his seasoning regional..... he has a number at mainline!

The regionals are littered with "lifers" who aren't going anywhere and could be used to give the MPL pilots seasoning before they leave to their major right seat. You could give the "lifer" regional Captain a small override to provide seasoning, but you really wouldn't have to, since he's not going anywhere and he would still have to fly his trips.

Hopefully the regional "lifer" Captain wouldn't become jealous and envious of his MPL first officer, who would already have a number at a major.

Nantonaku 02-02-2014 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572942)
Because I'm sick and tired of my commercial deadheads getting cancelled for lack of crews.

You are not being told the truth if they are telling you flights are canceling due to lack of crews. It isn't happening, it might begin to start happening later this year but either you are exaggerating or what the airlines are telling you is a flat out lie.

pagey 02-02-2014 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572989)
the current generation of regional pilots, who are made up by large numbers of "undesirables".

Seriously?

Why do you come to this sub forum? Every time you post something in here people have issue with it.

MEMbrain 02-02-2014 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1572991)
You are seriously misinformed about the MPL...it is carrier-specific license that requires additional training to obtain a full ATPL or move on to another carrier. Regardless, you're gonna be hard-pressed to find anyone that will self-sponsor for a license that, should they run into politics at their airline employing regional airline, would leave them with very few options.

I think most people would have a real problem with a right-seat regional "job" being used as an evaluation period for people with very little flight time and experience, particularly when the changes as of late have been in the opposite direction.

Also, countries that have an MPL have many years of experience with the frozen ATPL...it would be a hell of a leap for the FAA to go from a 1500 hour requirement to right seat regional people with less than 200 hours....it works in the EU because upgrades take a long time, whereas regional upgrades in this country have often been less than a year.

Also, your plan depends on a retaining a cadre of senior regional captains, which is going to require vast improvements in pay and work rules at that level, which will price the regionals out of existance.

Senior "lifer" regional Captains who are handcuffed to their regional are going to be happy to get paid what they get paid in order to have a job that they wouldn't be able to hold at any other airline PLUS self-funder MPL first officers = low labor costs.

172 Captain 02-02-2014 08:30 PM

The sarcasm is strong with this one. That or the hypocrisy.

Hetman 02-03-2014 12:18 AM

Yer gettin' some nibbles, there, MEMbrain. Be ready. When the bobber goes under give it a jerk to set the hook.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...bvTBhf5cGm-olg

GogglesPisano 02-03-2014 04:06 AM

I got that feeling after his second post. You should all feel violated for responding.:o

IBPilot 02-03-2014 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1573001)
Seriously?

Why do you come to this sub forum? Every time you post something in here people have issue with it.

Read his posts in the cargo forum. He is just as wanted over there as he is here. He is the red headed stepchild over there, so he comes over here to bully. Really loved the rumor he believed from the cousin of a FedEx ramper about FedEx management wanting to remove the tail engine from the MD11s or some crap like that to save gas$$. Always has some stupid boneheaded idea, and runs around patting himself on his back while people laugh at his face. Or his remark that former Pinnacle pilots were the source of most of Fedex's accidents, on which he was called on it by multiple FedEx guys and rather than admit he is full of it, chose to run over here with his tail between his legs and act all macho as a band aid to his ego. He seems to be so butthurt about regional guys (who I'd put money on over him any day) that my preparation H stock is up 300% due to him alone.

Salukipilot4590 02-03-2014 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1572934)
Yours maybe, but not mine. MPL pilots can't handle as PIC a/c such as the MD-11.

God I hope you're kidding.

IBPilot 02-03-2014 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1573093)
God I hope you're kidding.

Sad thing is, he isn't. Only the highest caliber of guys, mostly those that were on an aviation school flight team such as himself, are capable of taming that beast.

Salukipilot4590 02-03-2014 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1573097)
Sad thing is, he isn't. Only the highest caliber of guys, mostly those that were on an aviation school flight team such as himself, are capable of taming that beast.

I'm going to bite my tongue for his sake.

StuckInReverse 02-03-2014 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1573097)
Sad thing is, he isn't. Only the highest caliber of guys, mostly those that were on an aviation school flight team such as himself, are capable of taming that beast.

Hahaha! No finer pilots than those in flight suits and jackets getting the whiz wheel to the hundredth and slamming a landing on, but making the point!


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