Alpa refutes myth of u.s. Pilot shortage

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02-07-2014 | 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pitch mode

Hmmmm, US regional: $17k a year and 40 year old wife or Chinese airline $17K a month and 25 year old Asian girlfriend.

Where can you get a $17k/mo job at a chinese airline with 1500 piston hours?

02-07-2014 | 05:56 AM

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My point: Unlike plumbers, auto mechanics, lawyers, doctors, chefs, engineers, professional athletes, et. al., who can move laterally to another entity. The pilot may have to start all over again. I have 3 buddies who have done exactly this (fly in China)after getting laid off.

02-07-2014 | 06:16 AM

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The more appropriate statement is "If the majority of PSA pilots voted NO, PSA pilots would've never taken those concessions." ALPA National is not allowed to dictate what pilot groups do. They can only provide guidance, legal advice, financial analysis, etc.

If an airline is BK(this is not about PSA but rather a hypothetical situation), and it comes to it's pilot group for concessions, would it be ok for ALPA National to tell management to go pound sand simply because ALPA is a "real union"? Putting pilots there out of jobs? The decision is up to the pilot group. Not ALPA National.

This is correct......

If your local wants to sell you down river, they can......and you as the pilot group can vote for or against it. If your going to spew venom, at least take the time to research the information.

02-07-2014 | 07:22 AM

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Where can you get a $17k/mo job at a chinese airline with 1500 piston hours?

Just change your piston time to turbine or what ever you like. The Chinese don't seem to care or have the same checks and balances like the US does.

02-07-2014 | 07:44 AM

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Some 1,154 ALPA members currently are furloughed from their airlines.
Comair Airlines closed in 2012, furloughing more than 850 highly trained and experienced pilots, nearly all of whom are looking for jobs.

Is it just me or has anyone thought why those 850 highly trained pilots are still needing to look for jobs? Being a member of ALPA and bought out by DAL why is there a double standard. How many NWA or Western Airline pilots needed to look for work after DAL took over? I know I know, someone will say the usual argument but "Comair was not a major, it wasn't a merger, they didn't have similar gage equipment....bla bla bla."
I still say this IS the biggest failure of ALPA and the industry as a whole.
Its ok though, there just regional pilots. Heell us mainline guys support all those regionals anyway and there is now way they could be equal to us real professionals. Our equipment is sooo much bigger. Right?

02-07-2014 | 07:45 AM

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Just change your piston time to turbine or what ever you like. The Chinese don't seem to care or have the same checks and balances like the US does.

Hmmm. Be careful. They're still a totalitarian state and have some draconian penalties if they do decide to care care. Pilots are not accredited diplomats, you'd be fully subject to their justice system if they wanted to go there.

02-07-2014 | 07:45 AM

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I know that I will probably take some heat on this one but here goes. ALPA has been lobbying hard to keep foreign airlines out of the US but just admitted that foreign airlines pay and benefits are superior to most US carriers. So why not let them come in and compete directly with our legacy carriers that have cornered the market? The only thing I can think of is that many foreign carriers are not ALPA. So is ALPA looking out for itself or the best interest of pilots?

02-07-2014 | 08:18 AM

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Cabotage in a word. ALPA wants to protect US pilots jobs because the more foreign carriers allowed in and compete would take away US jobs. Not all foreign carries pay a higher wage. Its only allowed if its done by internal US carriers like mainline pilots wanting the flying back "no matter" how its done as long as they get the flying back.

02-07-2014 | 08:43 AM

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ALPA is afraid of losing its closed union shop status, it doesn't care about the jobs part. Most of those foreign carrier jobs are better paying than US carriers.

02-07-2014 | 08:48 AM

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There truly is a shortage of pilots outside the US and Europe. The US pilot pool is the primary means of alleviating that shortage right now. It would be hard in the current environment to bring in outside pilots at less cost than what US airlines already enjoy.

Cabin crews and maintenance on the other hand might be far cheaper if based offshore, so that might make economic sense of cabotage even if the pilots cost more.