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TBucket 02-09-2014 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by BaronRouge380 (Post 1577895)
Gojet, compass and Mesa? How about PSA? :)
Very fast upgrade so they say.
Same for TSA?


TSA is sitting around 11 mos now. Less if they can find enough FOs to keep that seat staffed while they upgrade.

vtpilot 02-09-2014 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy94 (Post 1577841)
I work at ExpressJet, in Jan we had 81 pilots leave. 40 captains and 41 first officers. Of the 81 only 1 went to another regional, the majority went to major airlines.

Actually we had 57 leave in January.

Kill Switch 02-09-2014 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy94 (Post 1577841)
I work at ExpressJet, in Jan we had 81 pilots leave. 40 captains and 41 first officers. Of the 81 only 1 went to another regional, the majority went to major airlines.

Hard to believe that...41 FO's went to majors in one month??? There haven't been 41 captains going to majors in one month from one regional...besides maybe one with a flow like Compass.

flyguy94 02-09-2014 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Kill Switch (Post 1577947)
Hard to believe that...41 FO's went to majors in one month??? There haven't been 41 captains going to majors in one month from one regional...besides maybe one with a flow like Compass.

I didn't say all of the went to the major airlines. The majority did. This is ASA and Lxjt combined.

Kill Switch 02-09-2014 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy94 (Post 1577951)
I didn't say all of the went to the major airlines. The majority did. This is ASA and Lxjt combined.

You're right - I read over the word "majority" - my mistake.

Peak13 02-09-2014 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Kill Switch (Post 1577423)
Why are so many guys (many with previous 121 experience) jumping ship to go to 6+ year upgrade companies like SkyWest??? :confused:

I hear SKW is a great company and all - but in the state of the industry why go to the bottom of the totem pole at a regional just because you aren't happy and face a 6-7 year upgrade??

Home Depot pays $10-$25 an hour and it's home based...:rolleyes:

Some guys would rather work for a company that will work for them...maybe 2-4 years ago when they got hired at XYZ Airline - things weren't so shaded gray. I was looking at SKW because of the locations they had - being 25 minutes from a base sitting reserve would have been cake. I could get another part time job to supplement my income and still make a 2 hour call-out.

"Chasing the upgrade" is exactly that...is it possible in today's state of affairs - sure! But don't base the chase on the dangling carrot - use cold hard facts...example: Compass' flow to Delta...25% of the pilot group or 20/month in one year. Now that Delta has started the train - it's going to leave a void at Compass...a company that the pilots don't mind going to work at.

Base what choice you make upon what you can live with and to a certain extent - what you can tolerate...but don't drag the pilot group down with you because you aren't happy making $19/hour at Mesa because you want a quick upgrade.

Just my .02

vtpilot 02-09-2014 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Kill Switch (Post 1577947)
Hard to believe that...41 FO's went to majors in one month??? There haven't been 41 captains going to majors in one month from one regional...besides maybe one with a flow like Compass.

XJT Reason for Separation – Change from Jan. 1 through Feb. 5, 2014

Corporate/Charter +3

Major +41

Regional +1

Retirement +2

Career Change +7

Other +27

TOTAL +81

Captain Tony 02-10-2014 04:07 AM

"Other" +27. Career Change +7 CAs going to "majors" FOs going away. I rest my case.

Electra 02-10-2014 06:38 AM

It is a free country, the best thing about it is that you can choose to make whatever decision you want... And then later come here and complain about it, apparently. In all seriousness, the real downside to chasing an upgrade is that *IF* something catastrophic happens to the industry or your chosen company, your quick promised upgrade evaporates in a flash, and then what will you be left with?

The biggest malcontent FO's (and by far the biggest PITAs to fly with) all came to SkyWest seven years ago from other airlines when it was a nine month upgrade. They are the ones complaining loudest now about the six year time to get in the left seat because they EXPECTED a fast upgrade. Not saying it won't happen for you if you go to Mesa today, but it ought to be food for thought.

flyguy94 02-10-2014 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1578234)
"Other" +27. Career Change +7 CAs going to "majors" FOs going away. I rest my case.

Other/Unknown - I would guess some of these went to other airlines as well. There is no breakdown for how many FO's went to the majors but I've talked to a few recently.


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