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Hi, I'm Chris Hansen. Have a seat..

One less pilot they can staff the operation with.. but in reality this happens at all airlines. Just a couple weirdos out there.

Yes, because we are the only pilot pilot group to have a d-bag pedo working for them.
This would never happen at a "reputable" carrier.
Only a "bottom feeding" airline could hire such an obvious monster.
And other airlines are so much better at weeding out dangerous people from their pilot group.

I think you read WAY too deep into the OP.

It happened to Mesaba five years ago:



And seven years before that:

Wasn't there a Colganite or two tangled up on some of that?

Happens everywhere...

When I saw the thread title, I was hoping they caught Frank Lorenzo or something......

Absolutely correct B.

Just put that there incase any of you guys know him. No I'll intent behind it.

Not Delta...they would have caught that sort of character defect in the psych eval. LOL

Todd. Biggest kiddie porn bust of all time at the time. IAH SF3 CA

Im ex rah and I was lmao- still am:D

Man busted for kiddie porn in Revere - News - Daily Item

This sick creep is still employed by Endeavor.

I remember that name! I wonder how he's going to do in the SSP. ;)

According to my wife, a social worker, 6% of adults are attracted to children. Presumably, the number who act on that attraction is lower than 6% but given the size of airlines it is likely there are people attracted to children at every company. Humanity is effed up!

No he is not still employed at PNCL. This creep is wearing an orange suit and his a** is employed by Leroy in cell 218 somewhere in a State Prison in Texas. Sick guy.

Good ole Todd, sentenced to 151 months in prison. So sad to say that I flew with that very strange human being way back when. The good news is that he'll never again work for an airline.

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/humbl...445efcce8.html

Hope your right but he is still on our latest seniority list that came out one month ago.

I'm sure he'll go in smelling like A ROSE.. :D

Now that's funny!

There is no inmate with his name on the State of Texas dept of corrections list of offenders.

Hmm. The case might have got tossed because of the sketchy circumstances with the guy who dimed him out

But even if he was acquitted or not tried you can normally still fire someone for missing work over something like this...presumably he was absent for a while without bail.

You can?

Not trying to stray away from this evenings circlejerk but do you think that's right?

I just read in our HR provided training and standards of conduct that sitting in jail is counted as AWOL time (yes - they actually still use that term). I'm not sure if the first order penalty is removal, but it was certainly possible by the third time.

My current employer will fire you for missing work if you are in jail. It's not uncommon.

Heck, they tried to fire a guy who was in the hospital because hit a bear on the way to work.

I bet that went over well. I'd never want to work for any organization that made those kinds of decisions or treated people like that.

Why do you think I've been trying to get a new job?

I've had 4 days off since October, on duty 12-18 hours day.

And no, none of them were Thanksgiving, Christmas or New Years.

Sad part is this company used to be run by a very famous pilot.

Sadly, Mr. Hughes has been dead for a very long time.

Absolutely, and I have...twice.

Unless there are some union provisions to the contrary you are not obligated to give someone an unplanned, spur-of-the-moment LOA because they somehow ended up in jail. It's not like jury or military duty...you can simply fire them for not coming to work after X number of days (like anyone else who no-showed).

There is a certain segment of society who have a bail-bondsmen on speed-dial, but I always held my employees to a higher standard of behavior. You can also easily fire someone (caveat for possible union provisions) who brings public discredit on the company...murder, rape, kidnapping, child sex abuse, etc all meet that standard in the eyes of a reasonable person. You can expect your employees to conduct their private lives in such a manner as to avoid these sorts of legal entanglements. Private behavior is their business but once it hits the police blotter and local news it's no longer private.

Ok, what about wrongful imprisonment, detaining and the such?

Innocent until proven guilty must not exist in the corporate world. I know I'm young but that doesn't sound right.

Innocent until proven guilty absolutely does not apply in corporate America. That applies to government only.

Now there is a judicial safety valve, if someone is terminated because of something which truly was not their fault they can always sue to get their job back. But the company would probably do the right thing anyway if someone was actually innocent ("not guilty" or insufficient evidence is not the same as innocent).

Airline pilots, especially in the union environment, tend to adopt an entitlement mentality towards their employment. But nobody in the business world, or corporate aviation for that matter, would expect to keep their job after getting arrested and charged with a major crime. Businesses hire folks who will represent their company well, and they expect you to maintain that image in public.

You're right, I'm entitled to a job that would have been taken from me by a false accusation.

From a management perspective, i would agree. All you have to do is show me reasonable evidence that supports your case. But a pedo-predator with kiddie porn on his computer is going to have a tough time meeting that threshold.

Oh, let me guess, the NSA planted it there... :rolleyes:

Like I said, beyond a reasonable doubt only applies in criminal trials. As a manager I would likely go with something like preponderance of evidence which is the civil trial standard.

But again...if you work for a reputable employer stay the hell out of jail if you want to keep your job. Not too many white-collar professional types get wrongly arrested.

This conversation only applies to major crimes, where someone is going to miss a lot of work due to lack of bail or a lengthy trial. If some gets a "minor" bust like DUI, they can call in sick, post bail, and be back on the job before anyone's the wiser.

I'm just telling you how it is, don't shoot the messenger.

Now with all that said, unions can have contractual provisions which preserve the criminal's job. There was a case involving a USPS carrier in my hometown where the guy did time for child sex abuse and got his job back after prison...apparently the postal union rules only allowed them to fire the guy if he committed a crime on the job, abusing kids on his own time was A-OK. IIRC he subsequently had issues with his mail route since convicted sex offenders have to stay a certain distance from schools. Personally I think unions are shooting themselves in the foot when they adopt provisions that go that far in support of errant members.

I'm sure some of the forum's more savvy business owners would be right at the front of the line to keep convicted criminals (felons) as the faces of their companies - of course depending on what type of company you own. :rolleyes:

You'd be surprised. I work for a S&P 500 company.

Oftentimes, I'm the only person on a crew who has not done time in prison.

9E had a CA and a FA run buttnaked through the woods after a romping session with flip flops and a wristwatch on a MDT layover. Both kept their jobs so I'm assuming this guy was also fine with the charges dismissed. The article mentions May 07 and I flew with him on several occasions during my time at 9E.

Flight Crew? Or highway asphalt crew?

We need to get you another job.

That falls into the harmless fun category. A company might fire you because of the "image" issue, or they might not. But I wouldn't have a problem flying with them...

You flew with the pedophile? The one who's supposedly in the federal pen in TX? Somebody's story doesn't match up with somebody else's.

There are few absolutes in life, and even fewer on the internet but I can say with absolute certainty that I would not fly with a known pedophile, convicted or otherwise. I have small kids. I'd just as soon kill someone like that as look at them.

Drilling crew.

I'd write a lot more if I weren't on my phone but that's an excellent reply man!

I totally agree that the evidence against this guy is enough for ME to kick him to the curb, I'm just concerned about a guy who gets picked up on suspicion of a crime and held for a weekend. That would suck, and at my company he would be terminated for two no-shows. Of course Monday morning the LAPD would release him but the damage would be done.