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742Dash 02-18-2014 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by JohnnyG (Post 1584779)
There's some truth to that. The baby boomers got on board and pulled up the ladder.

You think CFIs were the ones that drove the retirement age increase?

Corporations aren't greedy, baby boomers are. They made wealth and voted for themselves unsustainable benefits on the backs of future generations, while selling the country's wealth overseas.

I don't want this to be one of those threads, but since you called me out..;)

Who's supposed to pay for all the six figure government pensions? The children of baby boomers didn't choose that, baby boomers did.

First of all, my wife's pension from working in IT for the Feds will be 36K. DoD. She is 58. I do not know what universe you are living in, but we are not there. I wish that we were, but we live in the land called "Reality".

As for unsatainable benefits, the last two wars clock in at 75k per citizen. Great news if you have stock in companies that do no bid DoD contracts. But you will not hear that on FOX, so march on.

USMCFLYR 02-19-2014 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by JohnnyG (Post 1584779)
There's some truth to that. The baby boomers got on board and pulled up the ladder.

You think CFIs were the ones that drove the retirement age increase?

Corporations aren't greedy, baby boomers are. They made wealth and voted for themselves unsustainable benefits on the backs of future generations, while selling the country's wealth overseas.

I don't want this to be one of those threads, but since you called me out..;)

Who's supposed to pay for all the six figure government pensions? The children of baby boomers didn't choose that, baby boomers did.

I'd like 1 or 2 of those please.
Both of my gov't pensions probably won't equal 6 figures put together in the end.


It's a little unrealistic to have a backup plan when it takes so much just to get qualified for a professional job now.

That is often on the person. His or her decisions are often the biggest player in that game.

Packrat 02-19-2014 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by JohnnyG (Post 1584448)
You'd be wise to. Regionals are a career move for anyone just getting in, and it's not a sustainable one.

Amazing to me how many young guys ASSUME they'll be making it to the majors. It would be like EVERY minor league baseball/hockey player assuming they'll make it to the big show.


Originally Posted by bozobigtop (Post 1584460)
No we don't but circumstances beyond all of our reach has left all of us with the game we have and the uniform you were issued. I suggest having many back-up plans in which many young pilots do not!

All you have to do is count the number of ATPs and subtract the number of active Major airline pilots who are retiring.

Likeabat 02-19-2014 04:33 AM

"...the last two wars clock in at 75k per citizen.."

75k X 300 million citizens is 22.5 Trillion dollars.

Alldaysushi 02-19-2014 06:25 AM

22 trillion basically close
 
Not just the war, including unfunded mandates, stimulus, servicing national debt, banksters bad gambling on the derivatives side...

Much more than 22 trillion, divide that into the shrinking USA labor market.

Labor Force around 150 million participants= 150,000USD / worker in the USA.

Punch that bit of reality into 400USD/week F/O position.

The IMF Banking Debt is in the Quadrillions, who will be covering that???

Yes write your representatives....Question them, something is very wrong.

Safe journies...Sushi

Likeabat 02-19-2014 06:42 AM

Washington Post estimates the Afghanistan and Iraq wars at 4-6 trillion.

Sure, if you want to lump in all of the outrageous spending (by both political parties) then you arrive at numbers you describe.

Both parties have spent way too much for way too long - but nobody seems to care - they just want to point the finger to the other party....and the outrageous spending continues. You are correct - it is not sustainable.

CBreezy 02-19-2014 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1584895)
Amazing to me how many young guys ASSUME they'll be making it to the majors. It would be like EVERY minor league baseball/hockey player assuming they'll make it to the big show.



All you have to do is count the number of ATPs and subtract the number of active Major airline pilots who are retiring.

Why does everyone assume that every single ATP is going to be going to one of the Big 3? There are MANY more opportunities that have similar or better QOL and pay than just the major airlines. Yes, that's where the highest percentage of ATP jobs are, but that's an incredibly irresponsible inference.

A real study would look at the number of Active ATPs with age. It would then take the number of total jobs requiring an ATP and compare that to the amount of ATPs retiring. If the rate of retirement of ATPs is exceeding the amount being created per annum, then you will eventually see a pilot shortage. THAT is the hack way of using statistics. There are many, many more scientifically credible ways to more accurately estimate a shortage. Your narrow-minded math is insufficient.

brianb 02-19-2014 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Likeabat (Post 1584968)
Washington Post estimates the Afghanistan and Iraq wars at 4-6 trillion.

Sure, if you want to lump in all of the outrageous spending (by both political parties) then you arrive at numbers you describe.

Both parties have spent way too much for way too long - but nobody seems to care - they just want to point the finger to the other party....and the outrageous spending continues. You are correct - it is not sustainable.

Make way for the end of the U.S. as we know it, the debt cannot be paid off with our current monetary system. Paying interest on our own money is insanity and if anyone believes that is how our system is supposed to operate, they would be wrong. Servicing the debt is how much, percentage wise of our yearly outlay? If one can't see where the road is leading on this one, I can, it's called national bankruptcy or a revolution. Get rid of the Federal Reserve and it's cowardly morally corrupt psychopaths and watch this country take off. It always amazes me how many times folks fail to recount history when it comes to money. Look at our country prior to and after the establishment of the Federal Reserve system and you would be amazed how interest and debt and the growth of government have exploded.:mad:

V1rotateV2 02-19-2014 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Likeabat (Post 1584968)
Washington Post estimates the Afghanistan and Iraq wars


When did Congress declare war on Iraq? Afghanistan?

Packrat 02-19-2014 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by V1rotateV2 (Post 1585018)
When did Congress declare war on Iraq? Afghanistan?

Doesn't matter. The money still went down the military-industrial complex rat hole.

Guess America should have listened to Eisenhower.


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